Conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room!

[sadie]

I have to say I too find this very odd. If the shutter was fully up and sliding window was wide open as Kate claimed then the moment she opened the patio door the air would have rushed through the apartment and would have been very noticeable.  Seems none of this happened on the night though unitl she started to leave the bedroom...puzzling?

Gusts, John.  Calm at other times.

That is what gusts mean, imo .... clam with sudden rushes of wind.

[Alice Purjorick]

Some slats were always open so light could get through.

The outside blinds were closed with only two or three slats open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Presuming the photos of the shutters have not been potoshopped there are no slats that can be opened without the use of a Desoutter Nibbler or similar. The slots in the upper "slats" are for ventilation. Standard design everywhere in the world.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ventilation+in+roller+shutters&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HbKsW3tAIGHryM%253A%252CbRLps-3cCCZgWM%252C_&usg=__pv8OOk9UV1n7IVkuGutqaDuBm2A%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE_ODwnerYAhVGIMAKHS14COcQ9QEIQDAE#imgrc=tmP9ngKZMYh57M:

[John]

Gusts, John.  Calm at other times.

That is what gusts mean, imo .... calm with sudden rushes of wind.

You don't get gusts with calm, you gets gusts with wind.  The night Madeleieine disappeared was windy with gusts so an open window would create a differential in air pressure which should have been immediately noticeable on opening any exterior door.

[sadie]

You don't get gusts with calm, you gets gusts with wind.  The night Madeleieine disappeared was windy with gusts so an open window would create a differential in air pressure which should have been immediately noticeable on opening any exterior door.

You can get sudden gusts John, with relative calm in between.

And you can get the calm before the storm too. (at the time of Matts visit).

So long as the differentuial in air pressure is insuffient to overcome the friction of the hinges and insufficient tio create a force able to move the door any minor draught would unlikely be noticeable to anyone walking in from outside.

As kate pulled the door to, a greater surface of door presented itself to the gust and whoosh the door closed.  At the same time as the door was being closed, the gap was  decreasing and the draft was trying to get thru a smaller gap.
 
The speed of that draft was forced to rise in a similar way, which when a busy motorway has two lanes closed, traffick moves slowly before the road narrowing, but speeds up as it goes through the narrow part.

I am not very good at explaining things, hope that the reader can understand.



Please see my post @12.23.35 am today on thread  "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[Carana]

Presuming the photos of the shutters have not been potoshopped there are no slats that can be opened without the use of a Desoutter Nibbler or similar. The slots in the upper "slats" are for ventilation. Standard design everywhere in the world.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ventilation+in+roller+shutters&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HbKsW3tAIGHryM%253A%252CbRLps-3cCCZgWM%252C_&usg=__pv8OOk9UV1n7IVkuGutqaDuBm2A%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE_ODwnerYAhVGIMAKHS14COcQ9QEIQDAE#imgrc=tmP9ngKZMYh57M:

Not sure I understand. I can have mine down, and by lifting the blinds just a bit, there will be a space between a few slats at the top (with the rest still down). And obviously, by lifting it a bit more, space between more of them.

[pathfinder73]

Presuming the photos of the shutters have not been potoshopped there are no slats that can be opened without the use of a Desoutter Nibbler or similar. The slots in the upper "slats" are for ventilation. Standard design everywhere in the world.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ventilation+in+roller+shutters&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HbKsW3tAIGHryM%253A%252CbRLps-3cCCZgWM%252C_&usg=__pv8OOk9UV1n7IVkuGutqaDuBm2A%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE_ODwnerYAhVGIMAKHS14COcQ9QEIQDAE#imgrc=tmP9ngKZMYh57M:

Thanks. In the first photo you will see the shutters closed. In the second crime scene found one they are slightly open which could let light through as Matt thought.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks. In the first photo you will see the shutters closed. In the second crime scene found one they are slightly open which could let light through as Matt thought.

The second photo was taken after Gerry had lowered the shutters and both him and Dianne had gone and played with them lifting them up.  What you say is unfounded by the facts in the statements.

[pathfinder73]

You are wrong. The second photo is when Dianne tried to raise the shutters and got them stuck when they twisted. You are a newbie to the case and have a lot to learn.

[Alice Purjorick]

Not sure I understand. I can have mine down, and by lifting the blinds just a bit, there will be a space between a few slats at the top (with the rest still down). And obviously, by lifting it a bit more, space between more of them.

You need to look at the comics.
How are the slats on your shutters held together?
The ones fitted to the window at Apt 5a can only separate by the amount of backlash available in the horizontal joint which is mimimal a fact confirmed by the myriad of photos scattered about.
Hint: look at what is fitted to the apartment window and not at what is fitted to your kitchen/bathroom/bog/bedroom or whathaveyou.

[Robittybob1]

You are wrong. The second photo is when Dianne tried to raise the shutters and got them stuck when they twisted. You are a newbie to the case and have a lot to learn.

If that was a reply to my comment I think we are now saying the same thing "The second photo was taken after Gerry had lowered the shutters and both him and Dianne had gone and played with them lifting them up."  is the same as or at least similar to "The second photo is when Dianne tried to raise the shutters and got them stuck when they twisted."  Except I can't see Dianne in the photo so it too must be after Dianne tried to raise the shutters.
So I stand by my criticism of your original assertion that "In the second crime scene found one they are slightly open which could let light through as Matt thought" is wrong because the shutters have been interfered with in the time between when Matt did his check and that photo was taken.
Even you must be able to work that out!

[Carana]

You need to look at the comics.
How are the slats on your shutters held together?
The ones fitted to the window at Apt 5a can only separate by the amount of backlash available in the horizontal joint which is mimimal a fact confirmed by the myriad of photos scattered about.
Hint: look at what is fitted to the apartment window and not at what is fitted to your kitchen/bathroom/bog/bedroom or whathaveyou.

Not sure what you mean by "comics". You've mentioned that before, but I still don't know what you're referring to.

On the technolingo, once I work out what you mean, I might have a better idea. ;)

In the meantime, the slats on mine never turn from vertical to horizontal - they stay vertical (except when wound up inside what I assume to be a cylindrical thing that I can't actually examine). There's some kind of vertical thread every 75 cm that holds them in place vertically in relationship to each other. However, lifting them allows a horizontal space between them, starting at the top - just enough for a bit of light and ventilation - so no where near enough for anyone to slip a hand through, for example.

Mine appear to be quite heavy-duty, i.e., not a relatively flimsy sunshade.

[Robittybob1]

Not sure what you mean by "comics". You've mentioned that before, but I still don't know what you're referring to.

On the technolingo, once I work out what you mean, I might have a better idea. ;)

In the meantime, the slats on mine never turn from vertical to horizontal - they stay vertical (except when wound up inside what I assume to be a cylindrical thing that I can't actually examine). There's some kind of vertical thread every 75 cm that holds them in place vertically in relationship to each other. However, lifting them allows a horizontal space between them, starting at the top - just enough for a bit of light and ventilation - so no where near enough for anyone to slip a hand through, for example.

Mine appear to be quite heavy-duty, i.e., not a relatively flimsy sunshade.

They were what I would call exploded diagrams   e,g this is a classic

[Brietta]

If that was a reply to my comment I think we are now saying the same thing "The second photo was taken after Gerry had lowered the shutters and both him and Dianne had gone and played with them lifting them up."  is the same as or at least similar to "The second photo is when Dianne tried to raise the shutters and got them stuck when they twisted."  Except I can't see Dianne in the photo so it too must be after Dianne tried to raise the shutters.
So I stand by my criticism of your original assertion that "In the second crime scene found one they are slightly open which could let light through as Matt thought" is wrong because the shutters have been interfered with in the time between when Matt did his check and that photo was taken.
Even you must be able to work that out!

In my opinion that is a perfectly clear and understandable description.

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion that is a perfectly clear and understandable description.

Who's description Pathfinder's or mine? 

[pathfinder73]

If that was a reply to my comment I think we are now saying the same thing "The second photo was taken after Gerry had lowered the shutters and both him and Dianne had gone and played with them lifting them up."  is the same as or at least similar to "The second photo is when Dianne tried to raise the shutters and got them stuck when they twisted."  Except I can't see Dianne in the photo so it too must be after Dianne tried to raise the shutters.
So I stand by my criticism of your original assertion that "In the second crime scene found one they are slightly open which could let light through as Matt thought" is wrong because the shutters have been interfered with in the time between when Matt did his check and that photo was taken.
Even you must be able to work that out!

Dianne didn't see Gerry there the first time so he couldn't be lifting the shutters with her. Dianne saw Gerry the second time she went to the apartment after retrieving items from the table.


In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ".

- Because she was asked, she states that she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE

She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.

- However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed.

She adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY).

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm