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It has been challenging on the forum dealing with false memories (thanks to Alice for the inspiration)  and the Tapas 9 agreed timeline, with Matt and the others agreeing to one probably open gate and other possibly closed gate. 
Then the thread about an intruder inside the apartment when Gerry was doing his check.
All those relate to Jane's observation of a man carrying a child.  Jane says she had just passed Jez and Gerry talking but neither of those two saw her.

So what I would like to do now is, once and for all time, determine where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking?

"G-unit defined the problem earlier:
2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

After going through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw JEZ coming up the street on the opposite pavement bring with him a baby carriage with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm"   

Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking?  Ideas, solutions please?

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What can we learn from the file?
GM 4th may 2007:
""He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant."

GM Timeline Tapas 9 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm
"2105: GM returns to his flat (5A) and enters via the patio gate entrance. This and a child gate at the top of the stairs were closed at the time. He enters the flat via the patio door which is closed but unlocked.
The door is slightly ajar (about 45 degrees) which is unusual. All the 3 children were present and asleep. GM believes the shutter was down. The room in which the children are asleep is completely dark. On leaving the room, GM shuts the door to approximately 5 degrees. He then goes to the toilet to urinate.
2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.

Then Gerry's 10th May http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
"----- After going through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw JEZ coming up the street on the opposite pavement bring with him a baby carriage with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction who would come up on the right-hand side [when viewed] from the ascending direction, both having chatted for 3 to 4 minutes, about tennis, holidays and children. While he maintained the conversation with JEZ he saw no-one from the group, nor detected any suspicious individual or vehicle. Because he had been specifically asked, he relates that during this period of time he did not see with certainty JANE pass that location, although it is clear that he was speaking when in front of JEZ, his back to the other pathway on which his apartment is situated. He relates also that JEZ never said to him that he had seen any person given that he was in front."

Arguido No mention of the incident with Jez. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
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We've had this discussion more than once and the answer is it depends solely on who you choose to believe. Early statements are the best in my opinion because the events are fresher in their minds. So;

 JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
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Jane & Gerry, Madeleiene was Here:

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY?t=1m21s

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Jane & Gerry, Madeleiene was Here:

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY?t=1m21s
I think Gerry had more reason to remember it than Jane did.  Why does Gerry say Jez was 6 foot 3''?  Is Jez really that tall?
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We've had this discussion more than once and the answer is it depends solely on who you choose to believe. Early statements are the best in my opinion because the events are fresher in their minds. So;

 JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
We are going to analyse why they say what they did and to weigh the veracity of what is said to pin point it.  I don't think it will end up treating everyone as equals.
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My tuppence worth is that they were standing on the corner of the entrance to the back alley, leaving enough room for Jane Tanner to walk past unnoticed.

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Yeah, read, evaluate, add a chunk of bias and Bob's you uncle.  Way to go.
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Yeah, read, evaluate, add a chunk of bias and Bob's you uncle.  Way to go.

Actually, I have got an Uncle Bob.  And that's a fact.

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Yeah, read, evaluate, add a chunk of bias and Bob's you uncle.  Way to go.
Well I hope to be convincing if it is at all possible.  Are there any here who think the three-way meeting never occurred?
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I was surprised Silvia and the GNR PJ or whoever was there, didn't go with Jane to understand where she was when she saw the man.   If we knew where Jane was when she saw Tannerman we could find out how soon after passing the guys that this sighting happened.  We could calculate back to where Jez and Gerry were,  further down the hill.
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I was surprised Silvia and the GNR PJ or whoever was there, didn't go with Jane to understand where she was when she saw the man.  If we knew where Jane was when she saw Tannerman we could find out how soon after passing the guys that did this.  We could back calculate where Jez and Gerry were  further down the hill.

How would you propose to do that?
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How would you propose to do that?
She drew a diagram, and made statements.
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4078    “Did you have the opportunity when you were still there to retrace your steps if you, if you like”?

Reply    “Erm I did on my, I say I did on my own and I did that one night with erm, erm Carlos (inaudible), but literally just, but yes I mean we, I did sort of when the media had died you know, sort of we managed to walk up a bit but the problem was, the media were all camped out there”


4078    “Right yes”.

Reply    “For most of the time, so you couldn’t actually go that way very much”.

4078    “What I’m driving at and I’m not here to persuade you one way or the other, but I was wondering whether it would be a useful experience for you to be able to retrace your steps, but then like you said, the media are going to be there again anyway aren’t they”?

Reply    “Yeah and it’s yeah and, but it’s almost like what, I don’t know what extra information I can give so far down the line or if I do give any extra information and retrace the steps, you know what, I suppose we might, I wouldn’t, if you know if I think oh they look more like this, is it accurate to this far down the line, you know I think that is the”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

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She drew a diagram, and made statements.

But can you believe her? - Gerry obviously didn't.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.