Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[jassi]

A tad off topic but one must remember that removing a corpse is NOT abduction.

So there could only be an abductor if Madeleine was alive at the time.

As OG seem uncertain if Madeleine was dead or alive when she left the apartment, they must be equally uncertain about any abductor.

[Robittybob1]

Whoever removed her from that apartment is the abductor.

I don't think the case will be solved by coming to such hard and fast conclusions as that.  You are ignoring that she may have exited herself. 

[pathfinder73]

I haven't ignored it. I believe if she got out she would not be barefoot, would have been heard (Madeleine was loud!) or would have been seen by Jez or somebody. I've come to a different conclusion that ends in water.

[Robittybob1]

I haven't ignored it. I believe if she got out she would not be barefoot, would have been heard (Madeleine was loud!) or would have been seen by Jez or somebody. I've come to a different conclusion that ends in water.

What you think she was capable of putting her own shoes on?  Now how did you work that one out.?

[Alice Purjorick]

I would hope any pending files contained specific phone records from the relevant period.

It would seem too many people are watching too much "Person of Interest".
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140908/04435128452/turns-out-cell-phone-location-data-is-not-even-close-to-accurate-everyone-falls-it.shtml

and has no one on here ever heard of "burner phones"?[and understood what they are?]

[Mr Gray]

So there could only be an abductor if Madeleine was alive at the time.

As OG seem uncertain if Madeleine was dead or alive when she left the apartment, they must be equally uncertain about any abductor.

Which shows that the remit does not limit the investigation... Having said that SY may regard being murdered in the apartment and removed as abduction

[Robittybob1]

Which shows that the remit does not limit the investigation... Having said that SY may regard being murdered in the apartment and removed as abduction

So how does SY account for all the PJ findings?  I just hope my hunch is correct: that all the reasons why the Tapas 9 needed to align their timelines have been explained to SY. 
We may never get to know that full story if there was one.

[Robittybob1]

It would seem too many people are watching too much "Person of Interest".
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140908/04435128452/turns-out-cell-phone-location-data-is-not-even-close-to-accurate-everyone-falls-it.shtml

and has no one on here ever heard of "burner phones"?[and understood what they are?]

What was the term used in the McCann case was it "persuasion techniques"?   I would say this was a case of persuasion used in the above link, and it got the right result, a confession.
"SOMEONE strangled a prostitute in Portland, Oregon in 2002. The police arrested Lisa Roberts, the victim’s ex-lover, who spent more than two years in custody awaiting trial. Shortly before the trial the prosecutor told Ms Roberts, via her lawyer, that tower data collected by Verizon, her mobile-telephone network, showed precisely where she was at the time of the murder. As her lawyer recalled, the prosecutor said Ms Roberts could be “pinpointed” in a park shortly before the victim’s naked and sexually assaulted corpse was found there. She was told she faced 25 years to life in prison. She accepted a deal to plead guilty and serve 15 years.

But the high-tech evidence against her was bunk. Routinely collected tower data can place a mobile phone in a broad area, but it cannot “pinpoint” it. That would require a special three-tower “triangulation”, which cannot reveal past locations. It took a decade for Ms Roberts’s guilty plea to be thrown out. On May 28th she left prison, her criminal record clean, after nearly 12 years in custody."   
Maybe even persuasion techniques can be argued against. 

[Alice Purjorick]

What was the term used in the McCann case was it "persuasion techniques"?   I would say this was a case of persuasion used in the above link, and it got the right result, a confession.
"SOMEONE strangled a prostitute in Portland, Oregon in 2002. The police arrested Lisa Roberts, the victim’s ex-lover, who spent more than two years in custody awaiting trial. Shortly before the trial the prosecutor told Ms Roberts, via her lawyer, that tower data collected by Verizon, her mobile-telephone network, showed precisely where she was at the time of the murder. As her lawyer recalled, the prosecutor said Ms Roberts could be “pinpointed” in a park shortly before the victim’s naked and sexually assaulted corpse was found there. She was told she faced 25 years to life in prison. She accepted a deal to plead guilty and serve 15 years.

But the high-tech evidence against her was bunk. Routinely collected tower data can place a mobile phone in a broad area, but it cannot “pinpoint” it. That would require a special three-tower “triangulation”, which cannot reveal past locations. It took a decade for Ms Roberts’s guilty plea to be thrown out. On May 28th she left prison, her criminal record clean, after nearly 12 years in custody."   
Maybe even persuasion techniques can be argued against.

You mean persuading 300m it is really only 50 m ?

[Carana]

It would seem too many people are watching too much "Person of Interest".
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140908/04435128452/turns-out-cell-phone-location-data-is-not-even-close-to-accurate-everyone-falls-it.shtml

and has no one on here ever heard of "burner phones"?[and understood what they are?]

When I finally got around to getting a new phone, I had more ID controls than I did when going overseas the next day.

So... no. I've heard of them, are they phones / SIM cards on the black market?

[Robittybob1]

You mean persuading 300m it is really only 50 m ?

I'm not sure what you mean.

[Brietta]

When I finally got around to getting a new phone, I had more ID controls than I did when going overseas the next day.

So... no. I've heard of them, are they phones / SIM cards on the black market?

I think it is a pay as you go phone used once or twice then discarded. Untraceable.

[slartibartfast]

What you think she was capable of putting her own shoes on?  Now how did you work that one out.?

Why not?

[Robittybob1]

Why not?

It would depend on many factors.  Velcro straps would be easy but buckles and laces were more difficult to master.  There is the tennis ball photo and we might be able to see what type of fasteners were on them.

I asked my friend the other day if she could recall and she said her kids were four and a half when they learned to do their own shoes.  I did not study that further.

  I think there is a hint of a buckle in the photo but it isn't certain.

Would the buckle be on the inside or outside? 

[Alice Purjorick]

When I finally got around to getting a new phone, I had more ID controls than I did when going overseas the next day.

So... no. I've heard of them, are they phones / SIM cards on the black market?

It is a prepaid phone untraceable (unless you pay by credit card!!!!!). Used only once then binned.
Tracing the location of a mobile phone is "not a perfect science".
"In 2012, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois ruled that an F.B.I. agent could not testify about the location of a defendant’s cell phone because the analyses did not rise to the level of trusted, replicable science. Other courts have found for the defendant after the defense attorney discredited the prosecution’s expert witness".
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phone-cant-tell-the-police.