Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[John]

That is a possibility but the only real  reason Jane would have done that is if she was too embarrassed to walked up past the men.  Everyone had been having Jane on later about having to relieve Russell (sexual connotation, hence possible embarrassment).  But I don't think this joke had started at this time.

Jane still had to go around to her locked front door so I don't see the advantage of taking the alleyway.

Amaral also claimed that Jane Tanner accessed apartment 5d using the patio door so had no need to walk all the way around the block.

It is also interesting that between 8.55pm and 9.05pm Matthew went to do a check on 5A, 5B and 5D and returned to the restaurant shortly after.  Coincidentally, as can be seen from the image below, all those apartments have patio accesses facing the walkway.

[Robittybob1]

Amaral also claimed that Jane Tanner accessed apartment 5d using the patio door so had no need to walk all the way around the block.

But that is typical of him, he'd make up these claims that contradict the witness statements.  Did Russell and Jane leave there patio door unlocked like the McCanns did?  How could we ever find that out?

[John]

But that is typical of him, he'd make up these claims that contradict the witness statements.  Did Russell and Jane leave there patio door unlocked like the McCanns did?  How could we ever find that out?

They all claimed they didn't but the McCanns had to retract their claim after it was established that the front door key had been left on the kitchen worktop.  Whether the others did or did not will never be known.

If you were there, would you slip out the patio door straight onto the walkway or go out the front door and have to walk all the way round the block in order to get to the tapas?  Human nature would suggest the former imho.

[Mr Gray]

They all claimed they didn't but the McCanns had to retract their claim after it was established that the front door key had been left on the kitchen worktop.  Whether the others did or did not will never be known.

If you were there, would you slip out the patio door straight onto the walkway or go out the front door and have to walk all the way round the block in order to get to the tapas?  Human nature would suggest the former imho.

I'm not aware the mccanns retracted any claims... Is this the correction of the statement that Gerry referred to which may well have been an error by the  translator

[Robittybob1]

They all claimed they didn't but the McCanns had to retract their claim after it was established that the front door key had been left on the kitchen worktop.  Whether the others did or did not will never be known.

If you were there, would you slip out the patio door straight onto the walkway or go out the front door and have to walk all the way round the block in order to get to the tapas?  Human nature would suggest the former imho.

There is not a hint of that unless someone was already in the apartment.

[jassi]

They all claimed they didn't but the McCanns had to retract their claim after it was established that the front door key had been left on the kitchen worktop.  Whether the others did or did not will never be known.

If you were there, would you slip out the patio door straight onto the walkway or go out the front door and have to walk all the way round the block in order to get to the tapas?  Human nature would suggest the former imho.

Agreed, though in Matt's case, he must have exited via his front door in order to have listened at the McCanns' bedroom window. He's not likely to have exited via his pario door ,then walked round to Listen at bedroom window before returning to Tapas.

[John]

Agreed, though in Matt's case, he must have exited via his front door in order to have listened at the McCanns' bedroom window. He's not likely to have exited via his pario door ,then walked round to Listen at bedroom window before returning to Tapas.

If indeed that ever happened?

[Robittybob1]

Agreed, though in Matt's case, he must have exited via his front door in order to have listened at the McCanns' bedroom window. He's not likely to have exited via his pario door ,then walked round to Listen at bedroom window before returning to Tapas.

I'd say you have this impression that is what Matt did, but I think you have the wrong impression.

I think the clue to this is where do the Payne's admit that Matt meet up with them.

[jassi]

If indeed that ever happened?

Indeed, but he says he did and so far nobody has refuted it.

I would be more inclined to disbelieve his 9.30 visit as he would have to enter and exit via the patio door before/after going around the 'front' of the block to gain access to his own apartment.

[Angelo222]

Indeed, but he says he did and so far nobody has refuted it.

I would be more inclined to disbelieve his 9.30 visit as he would have to enter and exit via the patio door before/after going around the 'front' of the block to gain access to his own apartment.

I wouldn't believe any of them and that's why a reconstruction would have cleared up so many inconsistencies.

[Robittybob1]

I wouldn't believe any of them and that's why a reconstruction would have cleared up so many inconsistencies.

I can't see how personally.  Maybe he needed them one at a time.

[pathfinder73]

Detailed examination of all the statements reveals that Gerry and Jez chatted just yards down from the gate to 5a.

Amaral claimed that Jane might have seen the men chatting when she exited the tapas mini reception but turned left into the walkway so never passed them thus explaining why they never saw her.  Could it be that it was later that she saw a man carrying a child in his arms but due to the wine and all the confusion unintenionally created a false memory of the event?

To be honest, we have looked at this previously and in some detail. The possibility that she would have been able to pass so close by the two men completely unseen would appear very remote.

Agreed that's the only explanation that makes any sense if Jane saw Gerry and Jez by 5A gate - she turned left onto the pathway so they never noticed her. They had to facing sideways i.e. Jez facing gate because if one was facing down they would have seen her.

It's hard to believe that they didn't see her when you look at the location. She would be turning only a short distance away?

[Brietta]

I wouldn't believe any of them and that's why a reconstruction would have cleared up so many inconsistencies.

Perhaps it might have if one had been allowed to take place at the appropriate time ... but for various reasons this was not allowed by the Portuguese.

[Robittybob1]

I can't see how personally.  Maybe he needed them one at a time.

He should have taken them one at a time to explain where they were at any point of time.  Imagine Goncalo walking the route Jez took to see how long that would take. 

[jassi]

The impression given was that Wilkins was just wandering around, rather than following a set route, so may not have been able to repeat it with total accuracy.