Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[sadie]

I don't think they had a tape measure with them. Some may think the distance from the secondary reception to the man crossing is about 50 metres when it is in fact 30.

Please do NOT misinform.  You are being disingenuous again.   Some call that lying, but I will not as it is against the rules.

It is NOT 30 metres. 

Distance from Tapas secondary reception to the man crossing is 47 metres, as near as can be measured on G.Earth.

[sadie]

There would have been light emanating from the adjacent apartments so the pathway wouldn't have been in total darkness.

With shutters closed?

[Robittybob1]

I don't think they had a tape measure with them. Some may think the distance from the secondary reception to the man crossing is about 50 metres when it is in fact 30.

You should check it on Google Earth.  I did and it was 50 meters.

[sadie]

Thank you, I do know that, Shining provided the forum with some excellent photographs which proved the existence of that pathway.  I would say with certainty that Jane did not take that route as in my opinion it takes nothing off her journey but adds to it.

It is my opinion that she took the route she outlined on film and not a lane where in certain circumstances she could have been caught like a rat in a trap.

Exactly.

It is a good deal further to take the alletyway route to the front door than to tak e the pavement route.  Also a woman, on her own, would be most unlikely to take a very dark alleyway rather than the safer pavement IMO

[sadie]

The man she saw has been cleared but I know for certain that she did not pass Gerry/Jez on that pavement walking up that road.

I mean Gerry, the sort of person Gerry is, I could never see us being best buddies because he’s very, we’re very different. I think he’s very err he’s quite forthright and so I don’t think we’d ever be best friends but there’s no problem there or anything like that you know, I feel bad saying that because it makes it sound like there is a problem but there’s not but you know it’s not, whereas Kate I was really, I was getting to know Kate quite well but yeah I think Gerry is sort of like more of a man’s man maybe. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Yes I think she avoided him.

She didn't avoid him, because even if she went up the alleyway, she had to pass Gerry and Jez.

They were chatting at the entrance to the alleyway !

[G-Unit]

She didn't avoid him, because even if she went up the alleyway, she had to pass Gerry and Jez.

They were chatting at the entrance to the alleyway !

That's opinion, not fact because up until April 2008 both witnesses said the chatting took place near the gate.

[Robittybob1]

That's opinion, not fact because up until April 2008 both witnesses said the chatting took place near the gate.

Which gate?

[G-Unit]

Which gate?

THE gate of course. 

[slartibartfast]

So you are prepared to take on board a distance that is farther than the distance from
m the tapas reception to Tannerman are you?   

50 metres and could see all those details in a poorly lit street?

Come on slarti, let's have the intelligent slarti back rather than the one who is always pitching into certain people ?becos it is fun ?  or is it because you want to appear superior?

I will ignore your usual abuse for anyone who points out the deficiencies in your arguments.

There are anomalies in the Jane Tanner story that you have have tried to explain away by various strange arguments even down to the quality of the footware she was using.
She was said to be 50 meters away when she saw Tannerman, it has been said that the distance could only have been 45 meters, but rather than assume a mis-estimate in the 50 meters it is passed off as a mis-translation.

[Robittybob1]

THE gate of course. 

Is this a misunderstanding?  "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

Could Gerry have made an error in thinking when he signed off on the joint timeline that by gate he meant the The Secondary Reception gate?

Time  line:  "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. "

Should it have read something like "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside after Gerry left from the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the reception gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

[faithlilly]

"21.15: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

No mistranslations, no out of scale drawings, no vague pointing out of position, no 'misremembering' due to the passage of time, written in English and agreed by both Gerry and Jane. For me this is where the talk took place.

[jassi]

Is this a misunderstanding?  "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

Could Gerry have made an error in thinking when he signed off on the joint timeline that by gate he meant the The Secondary Reception gate?

Time  line:  "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. "

Should it have read something like "2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside after Gerry left from the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the reception gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

All seems pretty clear to me  in spite of you wanting to change it to something you've made up.

[Robittybob1]

"21.15: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

No mistranslations, no out of scale drawings, no vague pointing out of position, no 'misremembering' due to the passage of time, written in English and agreed by both Gerry and Jane. For me this is where the talk took place.

"just walked out the, erm, the Ocean Club bit and walked, sort of walked up the road.  And then Gerry was there, he was talking to Jez WILKINS in the road, well they were sort of, as I went by.  So I think I thought then ‘Oh that’s why Jez’, not Jez, ‘That’s why Gerry has been, you know, that’s why he’s longer than we thought’"

In that description it sounds closer to the reception gate. i.e that being where jez is talking to Gerry.  Later on further up the road she sees the man carrying the child.

[Robittybob1]

"21.15: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed."

No mistranslations, no out of scale drawings, no vague pointing out of position, no 'misremembering' due to the passage of time, written in English and agreed by both Gerry and Jane. For me this is where the talk took place.

That is what I thought too, but there is no way, if Gerry is walking toward the reception, that he can end up being uphill of the patio gate.  He can't; therefore it seems most likely a mistake.

[jassi]

That is what I thought too but there is no way if Gerry is walking toward the reception that he can end up being uphill of the patio gate.  He can't therefore it seems most likely a mistake.

Why - because he says he left by the patio door?
Mmm  2 other people say the meeting was uphill of the gate.
Maybe they are right and he is wrong