Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[pathfinder73]

He couldn't decide. First he said he did, then he said he didn't 

If you wanted - you could make up anything with nobody else there but Matt saw the door half-open as well 

[Brietta]

There seems to be some debate as to the IDing.

There isn't, unless you discount what Jane Tanner is actually on record as saying ... and give credence to the rather fanciful notions subscribed to on McCann hostile blogs etc with sub sections reserved for Jane Tanner et al.

In Jane's case her unforgiveable fault was to recount what she had witnessed on her brief walk between the tapas bar and the top of the street where she had an uninterrupted view of a male carrying a barefoot female child clad in pyjamas.

[slartibartfast]

There isn't, unless you discount what Jane Tanner is actually on record as saying ... and give credence to the rather fanciful notions subscribed to on McCann hostile blogs etc with sub sections reserved for Jane Tanner et al.

In Jane's case her unforgiveable fault was to recount what she had witnessed on her brief walk between the tapas bar and the top of the street where she had an uninterrupted view of a male carrying a barefoot female child clad in pyjamas.

There seems to be some debate as to the IDing, whether you want to believe it or not.

[G-Unit]

There isn't, unless you discount what Jane Tanner is actually on record as saying ... and give credence to the rather fanciful notions subscribed to on McCann hostile blogs etc with sub sections reserved for Jane Tanner et al.

In Jane's case her unforgiveable fault was to recount what she had witnessed on her brief walk between the tapas bar and the top of the street where she had an uninterrupted view of a male carrying a barefoot female child clad in pyjamas.

Unfortunately for Jane, her account wasn't supported by the accounts of Jes and Gerry. As a result her story didn't make sense to the PJ and many others. A lot of people who have never been to the town have spent many hours trying to explain why the men didn't see her, but the ones who were there didn't believe it. 

pages 55 and 56

. The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Brietta]

There seems to be some debate as to the IDing, whether you want to believe it or not.

The internet traffic inimical to the McCann family to which I have already referred doesn't really 'do' debate in my opinion ... having asked their questions ... worked out their answers ... and reached their incontrovertible conclusions.

[Brietta]

Unfortunately for Jane, her account wasn't supported by the accounts of Jes and Gerry. As a result her story didn't make sense to the PJ and many others. A lot of people who have never been to the town have spent many hours trying to explain why the men didn't see her, but the ones who were there didn't believe it. 

pages 55 and 56

. The physical, real and effective, proximity between JANE TANNER, GERALD McCANN and JEREMY WILKINS, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither GERALD McCANN nor JEREMY WILKINS did not see her, nor the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

Indeed ... on many occasions in my opinion the PJ did indeed show an amazing lack of insight to the simplest of things this being just one of them.
It wasn't really unfortunate for Jane though was it ... I think the whole debacle was disastrous for Madeleine, calling it 'unfortunate' doesn't really touch that.

[pathfinder73]

Just common sense. Jane did not walk past Gerry and Jez on that pavement as she claimed. It is not possible without either being aware of her presence. The PJ had no choice but to tell it straight and try and get them back to do a reconstruction. Edited In your opinion.

[Robittybob1]

Just common sense. Jane did not walk past Gerry and Jez on that pavement as she claimed. It is not possible without either being aware of her presence. The PJ had no choice but to tell it straight and try and get them back to do a reconstruction. Edited In your opinion.

There were some reasons previously discussed (previous thread) why even if it happened as Jane said why the two other may not have noticed her, or not remembered her passing.  OK I too find it baffling but I accept that because of the reasons given, it isn't impossible.

[faithlilly]

You think?  In my opinion she has put the internet bullies to shame with her quiet and dignified ignoring of the abuse they have meted out to her over the years.

She never fingered Murat ... despite the opportunity to do so she wasn't bullied into that.  In my opinion a very emphatic and empathetic personality indeed.

In my opinion she is a rock.

Well she certainly got a little bolder as time went on 

[Brietta]

Just common sense. Jane did not walk past Gerry and Jez on that pavement as she claimed. It is not possible without either being aware of her presence. The PJ had no choice but to tell it straight and try and get them back to do a reconstruction. Edited In your opinion.

Jane did not walk past Gerry and Jes and baby buggy on that pavement ... she walked past two acquaintances one of whom standing on the kerb and the other standing on the road who were deep in conversation and oblivious to their surroundings.
Whichever side of the road the men were on, all three + baby Wilkins in his buggy were not all on the same pavement at the same time.  One man is described as standing on the road by all three witnesses.

[sadie]

I've seen that pavement in real life Brietta and believe me there was not enough room for Jane to pass  the two men on the same pavement. Gerry knew that and that's why he insisted that he was on the other side of the road.

This was one of the main reasons why I started doubting the McCann's story.

If they were chatting in the kerb, half in the road, at the alleyway entrance, there was wide space behind them for Jane to pass them.   Measured on G.Earth the pavement at the alleyway is some 2.4 metres wide (nearly 8 Feet), so a good 6 feet available room for passing.

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[G-Unit]

Indeed ... on many occasions in my opinion the PJ did indeed show an amazing lack of insight to the simplest of things this being just one of them.
It wasn't really unfortunate for Jane though was it ... I think the whole debacle was disastrous for Madeleine, calling it 'unfortunate' doesn't really touch that.

It isn't the police who are at fault.  It's their job to notice when witness stories don't make sense. 

[Robittybob1]

It isn't the police who are at fault.  It's their job to notice when witness stories don't make sense.

The story doesn't make sense?  Jane's story made sense but Jez and Gerry's story doesn't make sense IMO. So if the PJ decide it is better to believe Jez and Gerry rather that Jane then it could be their fault for even my granddaughter noticed it could be possible Jez and Gerry were so involved with their conversation they simple missed seeing her.

[Angelo222]

The story doesn't make sense?  Jane's story made sense but Jez and Gerry's story doesn't make sense IMO. So if the PJ decide it is better to believe Jez and Gerry rather that Jane then it could be their fault for even my granddaughter noticed it could be possible Jez and Gerry were so involved with their conversation they simple missed seeing her.

I don't buy it.  Jane comes flip flopping up the road with nobody else around and passes so close to Gerry that she could have touched him yet neither men saw her.  No wonder Amaral didn't believe her.

[faithlilly]

If they were chatting in the kerb, half in the road, at the alleyway entrance, there was wide space behind them for Jane to pass them.   Measured on G.Earth the pavement at the alleyway is some 2.4 metres wide (nearly 8 Feet), so a good 6 feet available room for passing.

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But they weren't at the alleyway.