Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[misty]

Was that the trees a-rustling? Or the hinges of the gate?
Or Ernie's ghostly gold tops a-rattling in their crate?

LOL. Well, nobody apparently heard the hinges on the gate so no evidence Gerry came out that way.........

[Wonderfulspam]

It was after dark, Jane was cunningly disguised in Russell's fleece & the sound of Jane's flip-flops was muffled by the Force 4 breeze rustling the nearby trees.

The weather, indeed played it's part in the drama.

Jane thought creche dad was a rubbish parent because his daughters feet were bare. The tundra like wind blew the curtains open, then, just a while later, after the abduction, maybe when she had finished punching walls & screaming about b......s. Kate was wishing she'd dressed Maddie in those warmer long sleeved jammies.

[Wonderfulspam]

Jane remembered many things, from floral patterns to the long,long hairs of creche dad.

“But, I mean, I think, so the things that I’m happy, that are still in my head, that still stick in my head is the hair and it was longer, it was sort of longish and, erm, I don’t know how to (inaudible), but each, each, almost the hair was long, the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in, when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it’s shaved, not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each, each individual hair was long"...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Gerry couldn't even remember which door he used.

[Alice Purjorick]

Casual chat or deep in conversation ... take your pick ... but whichever, they were deep enough into it to be oblivious to what was going on around them.

They should see a doctor about the dubious quality of their first line defences.
White sticks and deaf aids would seem to be the order of the day.

[Alice Purjorick]

Was that the trees a-rustling? Or the hinges of the gate?
Or Ernie's ghostly gold tops a-rattling in their crate?

Peasant!
I was thinking more in terms of:

The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees.   
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas.   
The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,   
And the highwayman came riding—
         Riding—riding—
The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn-door.

I was never too sure about the bit that says: "he tapped with his whip on the shutters"...................... it may have some relevance. We could do worse than start a thread about it.......

[misty]

Jane remembered many things, from floral patterns to the long,long hairs of creche dad.

“But, I mean, I think, so the things that I’m happy, that are still in my head, that still stick in my head is the hair and it was longer, it was sort of longish and, erm, I don’t know how to (inaudible), but each, each, almost the hair was long, the bits of hair were long, so it was long into the neck, you know, sort of in, when people have a number one or whatever at the back and it’s shaved, not shaved up, but, you know, sort of layered up, this was more long into the neck, so sort of long, each, each individual hair was long"...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

Gerry couldn't even remember which door he used.

Some people are naturally or deliberately observant, others aren't. Personally, I dislike holding a conversation with someone whose eyes are flitting all over the place as we talk.

[Brietta]

They should see a doctor about the dubious quality of their first line defences.
White sticks and deaf aids would seem to be the order of the day.

Was Luz a war zone in 2007?  Maybe no-one had mentioned they should have been watching each other's backs.

Actually I find some members' ideas of how one should conduct a one to one conversation a bit odd.  I would find it disconcerting not to say impolite were someone with whom I was conversing was looking all around and taking in the sights in the midst of it.
Is that normal in a one to one conversation in an empty street?  When did making eye contact and concentrating on the individual and what is being said die out?

Just something like a glance down at baby Wilkins would have been in my opinion sufficient to have allowed Jane to pass by unobserved in the seconds it would have taken.

[Brietta]

An ordinary citizen may not feel threatened at all as he stands chatting. Looking when his peripheral vision detects movement isn't a choice, it's an instinctive reaction. If, when looking, he sees someone coming at him with a knife or a gun, he won't decide to flood his body with adrenaline, that happens instinctively too.

Jane may never have been within the range of the peripheral vision of either man which in my opinion is strongly suggested by the fact that neither saw her.

Gerry had no chance standing with his back to her and all Jes had to do to miss her was to briefly turn his head.

[puglove]

Peasant!
I was thinking more in terms of:

The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees.   
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas.   
The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,   
And the highwayman came riding—
         Riding—riding—
The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn-door.

I was never too sure about the bit that says: "he tapped with his whip on the shutters"...................... it may have some relevance. We could do worse than start a thread about it.......

Oh Alice. I love that poem.

[Alice Purjorick]

Oh Alice. I love that poem.

Enjoy it while you can.
The book burners are abroad on the MM board again I notice....

[Mr Gray]

Like a rocket shot to a ship ashore

The lean red bolt of his body tore

...that's poetry's

[sadie]

Jane may never have been within the range of the peripheral vision of either man which in my opinion is strongly suggested by the fact that neither saw her.

Gerry had no chance standing with his back to her and all Jes had to do to miss her was to briefly turn his head.

All Jez had to do was bend down to the pushchair and speak to his baby or re-arrange the blankets, pick up a thrown out toy etc.  Easy to miss Jane if he was standing between parked vehicles, Gerry was partly in the way or she was out of his peripheral vision.

Gerry would not have seen Jane because with his standing in the kerb, she was behind him.  Behind him all the way from the Tapas Secondary Reception right up to the top of the road.

[G-Unit]

Some people are naturally or deliberately observant, others aren't. Personally, I dislike holding a conversation with someone whose eyes are flitting all over the place as we talk.

Using peripheral vision doesn't require any flitting eyes.

[Robittybob1]

Using peripheral vision doesn't require any flitting eyes.

Can you recognise someone just from peripheral vision?

Looking it up https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/put-your-peripheral-vision-to-the-test/

"Observations and results
You probably quickly observed something appearing in your side view but perhaps you could only later tell the color, and after that identify the shape.

Our peripheral vision is quick at detecting that something enters our field of sight but it is weak at distinguishing color, shape or detail. This is because fewer and different cells in our eyes and brains are activated when seeing an object with our peripheral vision than when “seeing” the object with our central vision."

[G-Unit]

Can you recognise someone just from peripheral vision?

That's unlikely. It's main purpose as part of our defence mechanism is to detect movement. Once movement is detected we look 'properly' to assess who or what is moving and why. It would be impossible to play many sports without peripheral vision and there would be a lot more road traffic accidents.