Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[John]

People rarely get away with desperate ill-thought through plans.  In light of the fact that as far as your theory is concerned Jane would have known Totman could not possibly have seen Gerry, it is quite an insane plan to say she saw them both at the same time, especially as even Gerry denied seeing her.  Quite ridiculous.

Dr Totman is by no means certain that it was he who Jane saw, it remains merely a possibility. By inference therefore we can say that Dr Totman never saw Jane or the two men.  That could well be more evidence that Tannerman was not Totman.

[Alice Purjorick]

Because the whole point of Gerry being seen st the same time as Tannerman is, according to some, to prove that it couldn’t have been Gerry who removed Madeleine from the apartment.

Absolutely nothing to do with giving him an alibi for not being Smithman then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely nothing to do with giving him an alibi for not being Smithman then?

Nope, how could it be?  The sighting was at 9.15pm, 45 minutes earlier than the Smithman sighting.

[pathfinder73]

"The only reason for their scepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings. They didn’t dovetail perfectly. To me the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing.

Every time I read these independent statements in the files (and neither could have been influenced by the other, remember – Jane’s description had not been released to the public before the Irish witnesses made their statements), I am staggered by how alike they are, almost identical in parts.

As a lawyer once said to me, apropos another matter, ‘One coincidence, two coincidences – maybe they’re still coincidences. Any more than that and it stops being coincidence.’"

Who knows why there was a forty-five-minute gap between the two sightings, or where this man might have been in between? I long ago stopped trying to come up with answers because I don’t think I need to."

Madeleine by Kate McCann

[faithlilly]

People rarely get away with desperate ill-thought through plans.  In light of the fact that as far as your theory is concerned Jane would have known Totman could not possibly have seen Gerry, it is quite an insane plan to say she saw them both at the same time, especially as even Gerry denied seeing her.  Quite ridiculous.

True people do rarely get away with desperate ill thought through plans.

[Vertigo Swirl]

True people do rarely get away with desperate ill thought through plans.

And yet, if your theory is correct, they have.

[jassi]

Nope, how could it be?  The sighting was at 9.15pm, 45 minutes earlier than the Smithman sighting.

I think the logic would be - Gerry is seen at the same time as Tannerman so cannot be abductor so how can he possibly be abductor man 45 mins later.

If Jane didn't see Gerry or Tannerman isn't abductor then the argument falls.

[Robittybob1]

All possible but how can we ever tell which possibility is correct?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think the logic would be - Gerry is seen at the same time as Tannerman so cannot be abductor so how can he possibly be abductor man 45 mins later.

If Jane didn't see Gerry or Tannerman isn't abductor then the argument falls.

But some of the tapas group have Gerry at the table at the time of the Smith sighting anyway so no need for JT to provide an earlier alibi.

[Brietta]

I think the logic would be - Gerry is seen at the same time as Tannerman so cannot be abductor so how can he possibly be abductor man 45 mins later.

If Jane didn't see Gerry or Tannerman isn't abductor then the argument falls.

I agree with your first sentence but not the latter.

The PJ accepted that once Gerry had returned to the table after his meeting with Jes, there is no record of him leaving it thereafter and he was still there when Kate came running back to raise the alarm that Madeleine was gone.

[pathfinder73]

Matt said Kate left to check at 21:50 which was at least 10 minutes before the Smith sighting so none are ruled out. The waiter had them all gone except Dianne at 21:50.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Matt said Kate left to check at 21:50 which was at least 10 minutes before the Smith sighting so none are ruled out.

IMO the PJ accepted Gerry had alibi(s) for the time of the Smith sighting. 

[pathfinder73]

The waiter who served them at the table had them all gone except Dianne at 21:50. The PJ made a mistake didn't they? Smithman was after the alarm was raised and if they investigated it properly they would have known this to be the truth.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The waiter who served them at the table had them all gone except Dianne at 21:50. The PJ made a mistake didn't they? Smithman was after the alarm was raised and if they investigated it properly they would have known this to be the truth.

So how have you managed to investigate it properly, and the collective brains of the PJ failed so dismally?  Are you of superior intellect and logic skills?

[Robittybob1]

Matt said Kate left to check at 21:50 which was at least 10 minutes before the Smith sighting so none are ruled out. The waiter had them all gone except Dianne at 21:50.

I think we need to discover why Matt puts Kate's check 10 minutes earlier than the rest.