Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[barrier]

From Martin Smith's first statement
In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day

Easy mistake to make,G M was excused for using the wrong door because of it.

[barrier]

From Martin Smith's first statement
In 'Kelly's Bar' they consumed some drinks. They left that establishment around 21H55 as his son would be travelling very early the next day

They left the dolphin to go to Kelly's bar at 21hrs,Martin Smith.pj files.26/5/2007.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Easy mistake to make,G M was excused for using the wrong door because of it.

What mistake has been made?

[barrier]

What mistake has been made?

Recalling of events.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Recalling of events.

Around 21H00 they left the restaurant and went to Kelly's Bar, about one minute away on foot. In Kelly's Bar (he does not remember the name of the street it is on) they had a few drinks, having left from there around 21H50/22H00
Peter Smith's statement.

[G-Unit]

In his second statement he clarifies that Dianne Webster was still sat at the table at that point, and we know from her statement that she sat there for a few minutes, then went to the apartment where she saw Gerry - if you say dinner ended at 21.45, and a few minutes later the table was vacated (apart from DW) and she sat there for a few minutes and went to the apartment where she saw GMC what time does that take us to?

When Dianne arrived at 5A the only person present was Kate;

she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

When Dianne arrived at 5A the only person present was Kate;

she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

From her Rogatory
 I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment, which was just absolute err just terrible.”

 

 4078    ”What did you see when you got there?”

 Reply    ”What did I see? Well Kate and Gerry, Gerry was absolutely, absolutely distraught, absolute, you know, I mean I’ve never heard a man make the noises he made,

[jassi]

I always think the first statements to be the more reliable

[Vertigo Swirl]

I always think the first statements to be the more reliable

She doesn't say Gerry isn't in the apartment, she mentions who is in the children's bedroom, that is all.

[faithlilly]

Only by deducing that they were all involved in a cover up to protect two of the group, however IMO the PJ looked at the facts and realised that this was not very likely.

No I think if they took part in a conspiracy they did it to protect themselves.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No I think if they took part in a conspiracy they did it to protect themselves.

So do you think they were all up to no good, that somehow involved the children or one specific child?  Would be delighted to see even a tiny shred of evidence to support this.

[G-Unit]

From her Rogatory
 I know when I left the table I went, I did go into err Kate and Gerry’s err apartment, which was just absolute err just terrible.”

 

 4078    ”What did you see when you got there?”

 Reply    ”What did I see? Well Kate and Gerry, Gerry was absolutely, absolutely distraught, absolute, you know, I mean I’ve never heard a man make the noises he made,

She's describing her second visit, after she returned to the Tapas to get the stuff left behind. That's why 4078 says 'back to the apartment'

She thinks she saw Rachael, too, who denied ever entering 5A?

4078    ”Do you remember who else was around when you back to the apartment?”

 Reply    ”I think, well Fiona was there I think and err Rachael, I remember seeing Rachael and Gerry,

[faithlilly]

So do you think they were all up to no good, that somehow involved the children or one specific child?  Would be delighted to see even a tiny shred of evidence to support this.

I think they were all afraid of being charged with neglect, nothing more.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think they were all afraid of being charged with neglect, nothing more.

And yet none of them attempted to cover up the fact that they had all left their children unattended.  That doesn't make any sense. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

She's describing her second visit, after she returned to the Tapas to get the stuff left behind. That's why 4078 says 'back to the apartment'

She thinks she saw Rachael, too, who denied ever entering 5A?

4078    ”Do you remember who else was around when you back to the apartment?”

 Reply    ”I think, well Fiona was there I think and err Rachael, I remember seeing Rachael and Gerry,

That's not how the rogatory reads to me.