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Offline Holly Goodhead

Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« on: January 23, 2018, 12:14:58 PM »
No IMO and yet arguably Malcolm Fletcher's (MF) testimony at JB's trial formed the backbone of the prosecution case against him.

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 01:25:57 PM »
At JB's trial MF's testimony included extremely complex aspects of ballistics and pathology of gsw's and yet there's no evidence that he had the level of expertise to provide such testimony.

To recap he advised the court he had 13 years experience in the firearms dept at various FSS sites across UK and "A small amount of experience of having an air rifle as a small boy".   What exactly did his experience in the firearms dept entail?  How can anyone tell from his introduction to the court that he was sufficiently experienced and qualified to provide the sort of testimony he did?

As a comparison Dr Vincent Di Maio (VDM) a US pathologist with expertise in gunshot wounds spent over 30 minutes outlining his credentials to the court at the trial of George Zimmerman who was accused of fatally shooting Trayvon Martin. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2h2ceC5ic 

VDM was also involved in the JFK shooting reconstruction along with various other professionals where the emphasis was on bullet trajectory to determine perp location when JFK sustained his gsw.  Imo the trajectory of NB's gsw's to his jaw and lip support the theory (along with other evidence) that NB was stood on the landing stairs facing towards the main bedroom when he sustained these gsw's and the perp was stood just inside the main bedroom with the barrel of the rifle extending out onto the landing.  At trial Ed Lawson (junior counsel for the defence) asked MF if there was any evidence anyone was shot outside the bedroom upstairs to which MF replied no.  Seems to me it was a case of the blind leading the blind.  Compare the exchange between Lawson and MF and the JFK shooting reconstruction:       

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZHnORsz78

The defence employed the services of Major Freddie Mead but again there's no evidence he had the sort of expertise needed to advise the court on complex aspects of ballistics and pathology of gsw's. 

WHF remains the UK's only peacetime mass shooting unwitnessed by others.  It stands to reason that with the UK's laws surrounding firearms licensing, low gun ownership and correspondingly low rates of gun crime that a country like US will have far greater expertise. Why didn't JB's defence seek out experts from US:

- Cost? 
- Couldn't be arsed?
- Thought they had an acquittal in the bag?
- Didn't think about it?
- Some other reason?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 03:22:09 PM »
MF told the court it was "virtually certain" SC's contact wounds would result in blood entering the barrel/silencer ie 'drawback' aka 'blowback'.  And yet a book authored by VDM states "Absence of blood in or on the barrel does not preclude a close range or contact wound". 

Backspatter (Blowback) on Weapons in Cases of Contact Wounds
In addition to examining the hands for blood, if possible, one should examine
the gun for the presence of blood or tissue. Examination for blood should
be both visual and chemical. Blood is more often detected on the outside of
the muzzle than inside the barrel. In a study of 653 revolvers, 242 pistols,
181 shotguns, and 124 rifles used in suicides, blood was detected on the barrel
74% of the time for revolvers, 76% for pistols, 85% for shotguns, and 81%
for rifles.3 In contrast, blood was detected inside the barrel in 53% of the
revolvers, 57% of pistols, 72% of shotguns and 58% of rifles. The presence
of blood inside the barrel of a gun indicates that the weapon was within a
few inches of the body at the time of discharge. Absence of blood on or in
the barrel does not preclude a close range or contact wound.
Thus, no blood
was found either on the outside or inside of the barrel in 24% of the suicides
using a revolver and 23% using a pistol.


MF advised the court there was a small amount of blood near the muzzle end of the barrel.  There's no accurate site description for this but I assume it was a small bloodstain identified and analysed by Glynnis Howard (illustration below).  It was not possible to group the bloodstains found on the outside of the rifle due to the small quantity of stain.  It appears bloodstains on the outside were attributed to the beating NB sustained with a "blunt instrument" thought to be the rifle.  In any event MF's testimony is wrong in that SC's gsw's were not "virtually certain" to result in 'drawback'.  What is virtually certain is that these two words sealed JB's fate.  If it was "virtually certain" SC's gsw's would result in 'drawback' ie blood depositing inside the barrel, or silencer if fitted, then how was SC's blood groupings found inside the silencer when the rifle was found across her body sans silencer and the silencer found days later in a bag, behind a dart board inside the so-called gun cupboard if she had taken her own life?!  The idea SC was able to shoot herself non-fatally and return the silencer to the gun cupboard before shooting herself fatally is impossible based on the bloodstains to her nightdress/person.  And the idea she would not only return the silencer to the gun cupboard between shots but place it in a bag behind a dartboard is too far fetched. 

Rivlin's strategy of arguing the blood found inside the silencer represented an initimate mix of NB and June's blood was equally too far-fetched for jurors evidenced by the 10-2 verdict.  There's no evidence NB or June sustained gsw's or non-gsw's that would result in blood entering the silencer let alone some freak occurence of blood overlaying blood or pooling in the same specific small area of the silencer and then SC not only returning the silencer to the gun cupboard but placing it in a bag behind a dart board. 

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 03:46:10 PM »
He clearly wasn't asked to give anymore. It's not like they asked him and he refused to answer. The fact that VDM went on for half an hour 28 years later in another country and on a different case; has no bearing on the Bamber case whatsoever, nor on the ability or credibility of MF. I will agree one one thing, it is simply your opinion.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 04:23:15 PM »
He clearly wasn't asked to give anymore. It's not like they asked him and he refused to answer. The fact that VDM went on for half an hour 28 years later in another country and on a different case; has no bearing on the Bamber case whatsoever, nor on the ability or credibility of MF. I will agree one one thing, it is simply your opinion.

Who was going to question or challenge MF's credibility?  What experience did any of the experts, lawyers, trial judge or police officers have of peacetime unwitnessed mass shootings?

During his evidence MF claimed NB sustained an exit gsw to the head but there's no pathological evidence for this, is there?  NB sustained 7 entry wounds, 0 exit wounds and a graze wound to his elbow/chest?  Lawson simply accepted MF's claims.  In the grand scheme of things it isn't that important but it does show MF was wrong and Lawson was oblivious to the most basic facts of the case.  Again the blind leading the blind.   

« Last Edit: January 23, 2018, 04:26:27 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 05:20:52 PM »
Who was going to question or challenge MF's credibility?  What experience did any of the experts, lawyers, trial judge or police officers have of peacetime unwitnessed mass shootings?

During his evidence MF claimed NB sustained an exit gsw to the head but there's no pathological evidence for this, is there?  NB sustained 7 entry wounds, 0 exit wounds and a graze wound to his elbow/chest?  Lawson simply accepted MF's claims.  In the grand scheme of things it isn't that important but it does show MF was wrong and Lawson was oblivious to the most basic facts of the case.  Again the blind leading the blind.   

The samples list - bullets removed from NB during autopsy:

PV/2 Flattened bullet - left arm
PV/3 Bullet - top of skull (left temple)
PV/4 Bullet - top/front of skull
PV/5 Bullet fragment from left jaw
PV/8 Bullet - base of skull left side
PV/9 Bullet - top of brain left side
PV/10 Bullet - left side of neck
PV/11 Bullet - cervical muscle in the left side of neck

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=204.msg2228#msg2228

Dr Vanezis refers to June, DC and NC sustaining exit wounds in the pathology report but he does not refer to NB sustaining exit wounds.  The definition of an exit wound being a bullet that exits the body hence not found during autopsy:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=199.msg2219#msg2219

We know from MF's trial testimony that he was referring to an exit wound in the sense that a bullet exited NB's head and Lawson simply allowed this to go unchallenged.  And yet a careful read of the autopsy report makes clear Dr Vanezis was referring to the fact a bullet had exited a wound site but was found embedded in laceration.  Further evidence the pair were simply incompetent and negligent. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=674
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 09:40:28 PM »
The samples list - bullets removed from NB during autopsy:

PV/2 Flattened bullet - left arm
PV/3 Bullet - top of skull (left temple)
PV/4 Bullet - top/front of skull
PV/5 Bullet fragment from left jaw
PV/8 Bullet - base of skull left side
PV/9 Bullet - top of brain left side
PV/10 Bullet - left side of neck
PV/11 Bullet - cervical muscle in the left side of neck

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=204.msg2228#msg2228

Dr Vanezis refers to June, DC and NC sustaining exit wounds in the pathology report but he does not refer to NB sustaining exit wounds.  The definition of an exit wound being a bullet that exits the body hence not found during autopsy:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=199.msg2219#msg2219

We know from MF's trial testimony that he was referring to an exit wound in the sense that a bullet exited NB's head and Lawson simply allowed this to go unchallenged.  And yet a careful read of the autopsy report makes clear Dr Vanezis was referring to the fact a bullet had exited a wound site but was found embedded in laceration.  Further evidence the pair were simply incompetent and negligent. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=674

It would seem that no one is immune from critics - not even Dr Vincent Di Maio

https://www.change.org/p/revoke-the-lic-of-dr-vincent-di-maio-medical-examiner-for-the-defense-in-the-zimmerman-case

He testified in favour of Phil Spector and look what happened to him. This article seems to suggest he's a little over the top in court (could explain the 30 min talk about his credentials) http://www.today.com/id/19467273/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/spector-witness-clarkson-was-aging-depressed/#.Wmj74K5l_IU

The point is, he is no more qualified to comment on an historical case than anyone else and less so than MF because he was at least involved in the case.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 01:23:52 PM »
It would seem that no one is immune from critics - not even Dr Vincent Di Maio

https://www.change.org/p/revoke-the-lic-of-dr-vincent-di-maio-medical-examiner-for-the-defense-in-the-zimmerman-case

He testified in favour of Phil Spector and look what happened to him. This article seems to suggest he's a little over the top in court (could explain the 30 min talk about his credentials) http://www.today.com/id/19467273/ns/today-today_entertainment/t/spector-witness-clarkson-was-aging-depressed/#.Wmj74K5l_IU

The point is, he is no more qualified to comment on an historical case than anyone else and less so than MF because he was at least involved in the case.

Well alarm bells might have sounded had the critics you refer to have been members of professional bodies but it seems they're simply a few members of the public who objected to the fact VDM acted for the defence in the case of Phil Spector who was found guilty of murdering Ms Clarkson.  It seems the critics garnered a total of 26 votes for their now closed petition which required 100 to get off the ground.  I don't see the views of the critics carrying any more weight than my own over Malcolm Fletcher?   The internet provides a voice for anyone and everyone but that doesn't mean to say what they spout holds water as evidenced by Mike Tesko and his wild theories over everything from WHF to the universe. 

During VDM's intro to the court in the case of George Zimmerman he only ever responded to questions put to him.  I would suggest it is important for the court to have good understanding of experts' background, credentials, qualifications, books authored, peer reviewed pusblished articles etc.  If I was a member of a jury I would find this sort of info helpful, useful and reassuring bearing in mind the defence/prosecution could launch a counter argument/claim if the expert is found over-egging it.  Malcolm Fletcher's "13 years experience in the firearms dept" doesn't tell anyone anything.  And his "small amount of experience of having an air rifle as a small boy" doesn't fill me with confidence that he was up to the task of providing reliable testimony at JB's trial about about complex aspects of ballistics and the pathology of gsw's.  And there's no doubt in my mind MF's testimony will be shown to be wrong.  If I'm right I hope for MF's sake he is only found incompetent.  If incompetent the FSS/Home Office will take the flak.

If VDM provides testimony on JB's case for DPP/CCRC/CoA what advantages do you believe MF had by being involved in the case pre/during trial?  I can't see any, other than the fact VDM wouldn't have access to destroyed exhibits eg SC's nightdress, bullets and casings but given MF's written testimony covers these exhibits I don't see this as a disadvantage.  VDM would simply carry out tests to see if he can replicate MF's findings eg gun oil on nightdress and black discolouration to hands. 

You say MF was involved pre trial and during and yet he was clearly unable to master the most basic facts of the case evidenced by his claim during his testimony that NB sustained an exit would to his head.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 03:36:36 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2018, 03:18:40 PM »
I guess the British gov must have been suitably impressed by VDM's credentials since they sought his input into the 'Bloody Sunday' investigation?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

david1819

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Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 04:32:19 PM »
The defence employed the services of Major Freddie Mead but again there's no evidence he had the sort of expertise needed to advise the court on complex aspects of ballistics and pathology of gsw's. 


Holly.

I have attached Major Meads credentials and experience at the time of 1980. See attached.

Having done some research on the guy. Major Mead was employed by Simon Mckay in the successful appeal of Sergeant Lee Clegg. He was hired by Mansfield QC in the Jill Dando Murder trials. He has been sent to the Gaza strip as an expert witness to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes. Has also co-authored several books on ballistics. (Long ago and no longer in publication). His background seems perfectly adequate to me. More so than I expected.

According to journalist Jim Shelley. Freddie told him the following  “The speculation in the Learned Judge’s summing up is totally wrong.”  “there aren’t any grounds to believe a silencer was involved, apart from that the silencer was found.”

Considering this. The problem lies with Rivlins defence strategy of not contesting the silencers involment. Because Rivlin believed a defence strategy of the blood being planted by a relative was "too far-fetched to pursue"

You seem to be looking at technical grounds for getting JB acquitted. i.e incompetant expert witnesses, I cannot see that working IMO.  There is only one unchallengeable technicality that would work and that is by Rivlin officially admitting to the crown that he gave ineffective counsel. Cant see that happening somehow. After all if he was that way inclinded there was nothing to have stopped him from doing this in the last 32 years.

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david1819

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Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 05:26:12 PM »
Holly.

I have attached Major Meads credentials and experience at the time of 1980. See attached.

Having done some research on the guy. Major Mead was employed by Simon Mckay in the successful appeal of Sergeant Lee Clegg. He was hired by Mansfield QC in the Jill Dando Murder trials. He has been sent to the Gaza strip as an expert witness to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes. Has also co-authored several books on ballistics. (Long ago and no longer in publication). His background seems perfectly adequate to me. More so than I expected.

According to journalist Jim Shelley. Freddie told him the following  “The speculation in the Learned Judge’s summing up is totally wrong.”  “there aren’t any grounds to believe a silencer was involved, apart from that the silencer was found.”

Considering this. The problem lies with Rivlins defence strategy of not contesting the silencers involment. Because Rivlin believed a defence strategy of the blood being planted by a relative was "too far-fetched to pursue"

You seem to be looking at technical grounds for getting JB acquitted. i.e incompetant expert witnesses, I cannot see that working IMO.  There is only one unchallengeable technicality that would work and that is by Rivlin officially admitting to the crown that he gave ineffective counsel. Cant see that happening somehow. After all if he was that way inclinded there was nothing to have stopped him from doing this in the last 32 years.

Its also worth mentioning that a Major is an officers rank. He would have been trained in the military academy rather than standard barracks. The British army was specially back in Freddie Meads day notoriously elitist and snobby when it came to its ranks in the military academy. He probably spent more time eating five course dinners with the full set silverware than in the field.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 06:27:56 PM »
Holly.

I have attached Major Meads credentials and experience at the time of 1980. See attached.

Having done some research on the guy. Major Mead was employed by Simon Mckay in the successful appeal of Sergeant Lee Clegg. He was hired by Mansfield QC in the Jill Dando Murder trials. He has been sent to the Gaza strip as an expert witness to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes. Has also co-authored several books on ballistics. (Long ago and no longer in publication). His background seems perfectly adequate to me. More so than I expected.

According to journalist Jim Shelley. Freddie told him the following  “The speculation in the Learned Judge’s summing up is totally wrong.”  “there aren’t any grounds to believe a silencer was involved, apart from that the silencer was found.”

Considering this. The problem lies with Rivlins defence strategy of not contesting the silencers involment. Because Rivlin believed a defence strategy of the blood being planted by a relative was "too far-fetched to pursue"

You seem to be looking at technical grounds for getting JB acquitted. i.e incompetant expert witnesses, I cannot see that working IMO.  There is only one unchallengeable technicality that would work and that is by Rivlin officially admitting to the crown that he gave ineffective counsel. Cant see that happening somehow. After all if he was that way inclinded there was nothing to have stopped him from doing this in the last 32 years.

Thanks David.

As I see it WHF was an extremely complex soc/trial, UK's only unwitnessed mass shooting, where ballistics and pathology overlap requiring world class experts at the top of their game akin to Lionel Messi in the world of football.  Maybe Major Mead was more a Wayne Rooney.   8)-)))

I would like to read Major Mead's trial testimony but it doesn't seem available?  It's one thing saying the silencer wasn't used and another showing why not and overcoming the blood evidence which it seems the Major was unable to do at trial?  David consider this we know at trial Lawson asked Fletcher if anyone was shot outside the main bedroom upstairs.  Fletcher replied no.  Had the Major argued otherwise would Turner at 2002 appeal have pursued ground 12 ie NB using the phone AFTER he sustained the gsw's upstairs with a police officer then using the phone and removing the blood from NB's facial wounds?  Another numpty lawyer.     

I believe SC's blood groupings found inside the silencer were fabricated but I very much doubt the relatives were involved which leaves EP and/or FSS.   I don't really concern myself with who did what and when just how to overcome the evidence and show it was fabricated.  For what it's worth I think the blood externally, paint and hair were one fabrication in an attempt to show the silencer was fitted when NB sustained the beating.  When this was deemed insufficient to secure a conviction:

- Not possible to group blood
- Scratches could have occured anytime
- Hair could have come from anywhere and was lost before it reached FSS

the idea to fabricate the silencer internally linking it with the gsw's sustained by SC then came to fruition.  Difficult to see how this was achieved without the assistance of FSS.  I just don't see the relatives or EP having an awareness of drawback.   

No need for technicalties.  As far as I'm concerned an acquittal is in the bag on the following basis:

Basis for referral to DPP/CoA

- Forensic tests to show the silencer and blood were fabricated

The above then enables other grounds

- Soc reconstruction showing NB was shot on the landing stairs facing towards the main bedroom with perp stood inside main bedroom with barrel extending onto landing.  This obviously lends support to NB calling JB.

- SC suffering an attachment disorder due to June's mental illness circa 1959 which leads to a propensity towards violence, aggression, suicide and filicide.

- Non disclosure of bloodstains on bible lending support to June walking around bed with it ie her bloodstains not JB faffing around causing mirror staining.  This can't be proved as bible destroyed but CoA likely to give point on strength of other points and the fact it was destroyed against standard procedures for maintaing exhibits.

- Forensic tests showing hand swab evidence wrong

- Forensic tests showing state of SC's hands and nightdress consistent with her as perp

- Forensic tests showing fingerprints found on rifle ie 1 from JB and 1 from SC consistent with both recently handling rifle ie JB bunny hunting on 6th Aug and SC as perp early hours 7th Aug

- I understand poor defence can also be a ground of appeal although as you might imagine this isn't without difficulties.  In any event it isn't needed for an acquittal.

Who dares wins boyo  ?>)()<
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 07:51:39 PM »
Its also worth mentioning that a Major is an officers rank. He would have been trained in the military academy rather than standard barracks. The British army was specially back in Freddie Meads day notoriously elitist and snobby when it came to its ranks in the military academy. He probably spent more time eating five course dinners with the full set silverware than in the field.

Did you listen to the youtube link I posted re VDM at trial of George Zimmerman?  VDM was also a Major in the US army.  Prof Knight also served in the military.  VDM and Prof Knight were in medi corps so plenty of experience with gsw's.  Par for the course with that generation.  Where VDM excels over the others is that he has the expertise in ballistics and pathology of gsw's. 

Yeah I know a little about how snobby military personnel can be.  I recall my first proper job in what was then referred to as personnel now human resources.  The personnel director ex RAF squadron leader took me out to lunch and advised me I should not sprinkle salt on the meal but tip a little pile at the side of the plate and dip the food in it.  This was before the food even arrived and I never put additional salt on food anyway.  Funnily enough though my dad ex navy always did this with his salt.  He (the boss) also told me not to acknowledge the waiting staff.  I got on ok with him and he was good to work with but I found all this ridiculous and uncomfortable in not making eye contact with a waiter/ess and saying thank you but realised it all stemmed from the RAF.  Or perhaps it was a test to see how I reacted.  As far as I can recall that was the only time I ate with him alone so the situation didn't arise again.  But yes the former boss and other ex military guys either employees or external consultants were terribly snobby about food and drink when we were at upmarket venues for training courses. 

     
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

david1819

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Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible and Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 09:33:35 PM »
Thanks David.

As I see it WHF was an extremely complex soc/trial, UK's only unwitnessed mass shooting, where ballistics and pathology overlap requiring world class experts at the top of their game akin to Lionel Messi in the world of football.  Maybe Major Mead was more a Wayne Rooney.   8)-)))


I don't think so. Its only a seemingly complex soc/trial when you first look into it.  Once you purge your mind of all the BS this case has generated and see what is left its actually rather straight forward.



I would like to read Major Mead's trial testimony but it doesn't seem available?  It's one thing saying the silencer wasn't used and another showing why not and overcoming the blood evidence which it seems the Major was unable to do at trial?

A witness can only answer questions that are asked. Mead was a witness introduced by the defence. Thus his initial examination (Like Bernard Knight) would have been by Rivlin QC who was pursuing his silencer was used blood mixture theory. Need I say more? Rivlin is not going to ask him any questions about whether the silencer was used or not because Rivlin is trying to persuade the jury that Sheila used it.

Major Mead was an expert witness in the MacLennan Enquiry.  MacLennan was a policeman who was secretly a homosexual and was about to be charged and arrested by the Hong Kong Police for soliciting male escorts.  Under colonial law he would be facing a possible life sentence. He shot himself in the chest five times with a handgun inside his property that has all windows and doors secured from within. Sound familiar?

Maybe this is why Rivlin hired him? so he could question him on his experience of it and hope the jury would pick up on it.

Also according to Shelley. Mead said the shooter didn't need any shooting skills to hit the targets at that close range.


Had the Major argued otherwise would Turner at 2002 appeal have pursued ground 12 ie NB using the phone AFTER he sustained the gsw's upstairs with a police officer then using the phone and removing the blood from NB's facial wounds?  Another numpty lawyer.     

Undisclosed evidence confirms a call was made by the police in WHF on that morning. Since the phone was allegedly found off the hook. The police must have either used that very phone or placed the handset back on the cradle and used the office phone. Either way the phone was tampered with.

Of course it would  make sense for Rivlin to have argued that Neville made the call and then returned upstairs and as a result got shot. Since he could have and didn't it does not constitute a fresh argument. Thus cannot be used at appeal unless 'fresh evidence' comes to light that supports it.


No need for technicalties.  As far as I'm concerned an acquittal is in the bag on the following basis:

Basis for referral to DPP/CoA

- Forensic tests to show the silencer and blood were fabricated


Its already been established that the silencer was not on the gun when the shots to Sheila's were inflicted. CCRC/COA are clinging onto the paint and scratch marks in order to claim the silencer was merely used and Sheila would not have used it thus cannot be the killer.   

According to them as long as the silencer left the gun cupboard that night/morning the killer was not Sheila. It makes sense but to uphold a murder conviction on that basis without consulting a Jury on it is a complete joke.

Acquittal will be achieved with direct proof Sheila was involved. Either via newly discovered or withheld evidence.


- Soc reconstruction showing NB was shot on the landing stairs facing towards the main bedroom with perp stood inside main bedroom with barrel extending onto landing.  This obviously lends support to NB calling JB.

- SC suffering an attachment disorder due to June's mental illness circa 1959 which leads to a propensity towards violence, aggression, suicide and filicide.


Not necessary once you show Sheila's involvement.

- Non disclosure of bloodstains on bible lending support to June walking around bed with it ie her bloodstains not JB faffing around causing mirror staining.  This can't be proved as bible destroyed but CoA likely to give point on strength of other points and the fact it was destroyed against standard procedures for maintaing exhibits.

What would prevent prosecutors from arguing that JB staged the bible after June dropped it?

Furthermore the notion that June clung onto the bible in the face of death then dropped it as she walked back towards the hallway makes no sense.


- Forensic tests showing hand swab evidence wrong


There is nothing wrong with them. In isolation you can deduce several interpretations of what happened. Its the one that fits into the larger picture that is probably the correct one.



- Forensic tests showing fingerprints found on rifle ie 1 from JB and 1 from SC consistent with both recently handling rifle ie JB bunny hunting on 6th Aug and SC as perp early hours 7th Aug


Defence and prosecution don't dispute JB handled the gun on the evening of the 6th. Defence and prosecution don't dispute Sheila's prints got on the gun on the early hours of the 7th. What they do dispute is how exactly Sheila's prints got there.


- I understand poor defence can also be a ground of appeal although as you might imagine this isn't without difficulties.  In any event it isn't needed for an acquittal.


Its the most straight forward way to get an acquittal. In this case the bar is so high you will need Rivlin to admit to it so it cannot be disputed. Its my opinion that Rivlin now hopes JB is guilty for the sake of his own legal career and legacy. Does the JB haunt him? who knows. The fact he almost split the jury without making any allegations of wrongdoing or conspiracy I find rather impressive. After all who is the root cause of JBs conviction? Its not Rivlin. Its easy to criticize him in hindsight.
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Re: Was Malcolm Fletcher A Credible And Reliable Expert Witness?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 10:09:00 PM »
Did you listen to the youtube link I posted re VDM at trial of George Zimmerman?  VDM was also a Major in the US army.  Prof Knight also served in the military.  VDM and Prof Knight were in medi corps so plenty of experience with gsw's.  Par for the course with that generation.  Where VDM excels over the others is that he has the expertise in ballistics and pathology of gsw's. 


In 1971 Bernard Knight wrote a study tiled "Murder, Suicide, or Accident: The Forensic Pathologist at Work
In this he claims that woman who commits suicide by firearm are woman murdered until proven otherwise.

Arlidge QC pointed this out to the Jury and It must have had a devestaing effect on them. JBs own defence expert not only admits he gets wrong but also would have onced assumed in his own proffetional opinion that JB was guilty.

He no longer belives that of course but was prepared to put his reputaion on the line on that bold claim. This shows his education on the subject was stricken with dogma and outdated assumptions.

He then starts making refferences to Agatha Christie novels infront of the Jury.

I struggle to take him seriously to be honest.