Distinguishing Fact from Opinion.

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion the bold text is an example of someone thinking they're posting a fact when they're not.

I've posted the cite several times

[Brietta]

So where does Rebelo make the statement claimed ?

 Actions speak louder than words ... and the men under his command carried out the appropriate action.

[G-Unit]

I've posted the cite several times

It's needed again, showing the alleged quote from Rebelo.

[faithlilly]

Actions speak louder than words ... and the men under his command carried out the appropriate action.

A cite speaks louder than assumptions Brietta. Can Davel provide one ?

As to the actions of Rebelo it was he who desperately tried to arrange a reconstruction and the rogatory interviews. Those actions certainly don't speak of confidence in the truthfulness of the tapas group's narrative, do they ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Perhaps you should give some thought as to why your posts always seems to boil down to you and your opinion while never failing to add just a smidgen of deprecation for good measure.
It wouldn't be so bad if you worked it into the concept of the topic of whichever thread you happened to be on at time of delivery but you seldom do.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”....G. Orwell....

[Brietta]

A cite speaks louder than assumptions Brietta. Can Davel provide one ?

As to the actions of Rebelo it was he who desperately tried to arrange a reconstruction and the rogatory interviews. Those actions certainly don't speak of confidence in the truthfulness of the tapas group's narrative, do they ?

I would like you to produce a cite to back up your assertion which I believe to be unfounded.  Please do so.

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion the bold text is an example of someone thinking they're posting a fact when they're not.

IMO that is a fact not an opinion.  If it was said "I understand Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes"  then it is your opinion. IMO.

[slartibartfast]

IMO that is a fact not an opinion.  If it was said "I understand Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes"  then it is your opinion. IMO.

Just to clarify, Davel claimed that Rebelo said there may have been mistakes but has been unable to provide a cite therefore it is opinion. With a cite of him quoted as saying that it would be possible to state it as a fact.

[faithlilly]

I would like you to produce a cite to back up your assertion which I believe to be unfounded.  Please do so.

Sorry you've lost me Brietta.

[Robittybob1]

Just to clarify, Davel claimed that Rebelo said there may have been mistakes but has been unable to provide a cite therefore it is opinion. With a cite of him quoted as saying that it would be possible to state it as a fact.

OK I'd go further if that was the case.    If a person purports to tell facts that aren't able to be backed up, what is it then?  It would be a cop out if just assumed it was opinion.  I'd tend to be harsher on that. 

[G-Unit]

IMO that is a fact not an opinion.  If it was said "I understand Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes"  then it is your opinion. IMO.

Once again I don't understand the point you're trying to make. When discussing the accuracy or otherwise of the statements in the PJ files a poster wrote that "Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes".

Is that a fact or an opinion? The answer is simple. A cite quoting Rebelo is needed to confirm it is a fact. If no cite can be produced it's an opinion being posted as if it were a fact.

[Robittybob1]

Once again I don't understand the point you're trying to make. When discussing the accuracy or otherwise of the statements in the PJ files a poster wrote that "Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes".

Is that a fact or an opinion? The answer is simple. A cite quoting Rebelo is needed to confirm it is a fact. If no cite can be produced it's an opinion being posted as if it were a fact.

No it could be a simple mistake, he may have accidentally made an error or deliberately made an error.  If it is worded as a fact a cite needs to be producible if asked.   I feel opinion needs to be made clear that it is opinion e.g . saying something referring to yourself e.g. I think, or IMO.
An example of a mistake is missing out the word "not", a mistake I make too often e.g. ""Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes" becomes "Rebelo admitted there could not be mistakes". (Not such a good example as both appear as reported facts,  as "admitted" implies there is a statement to that effect.)

[G-Unit]

No it could be a simple mistake, he may have accidentally made an error or deliberately made an error.  If it is worded as a fact a cite needs to be producible if asked.   I feel opinion needs to be made clear that it is opinion e.g . saying something referring to yourself e.g. I think, or IMO.
An example of a mistake is missing out the word "not", a mistake I make too often e.g. ""Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes" becomes "Rebelo admitted there could not be mistakes". (Not such a good example as both appear as reported facts,  as "admitted" implies there is a statement to that effect.)

Your opinion about someone else's motives isn't really needed. It's up to the poster to explain whether he was posting a fact (cite needed), an opinion (imo needed) or a mistake (acknowledgement needed).

[Robittybob1]

Your opinion about someone else's motives isn't really needed. It's up to the poster to explain whether he was posting a fact (cite needed), an opinion (imo needed) or a mistake (acknowledgement needed).

Exactly, but the need for a cite would only be in cases where the fact is not generally known. It would get onerous if every fact had to be cited every time IMO.

[G-Unit]

Exactly, but the need for a cite would only be in cases where the fact is not generally known. It would get onerous if every fact had to be cited every time IMO.

That doesn't apply in this case.