Distinguishing Fact from Opinion.

[G-Unit]

IMO:
We are talking about the Madeleine McCann case!  Books - generally Kate McCann's book is treated with  disdain.  Some won't even read it, certainly won't buy it.  So a quote from that will be questioned for sure.  The other author's books aren't as accessible.
Paper as in scientific papers - are there any?
Scholarly work?  - which ones (Documentaries might fall under this category)  I'm sure the over all opinion of this forum just about justifies the description of scholarly work.

We are then left with blogs, newspapers, forums, Facebook groups and Wikipedia.  and YouTube  e.g. Richard and Lizzy HDH, Bogart!  What a bunch!

You seem to be talking about two different things. If I provide a quote from Kate McCann's book, you can criticise what she wrote, you can debate what she meant, but you can't deny she wrote it.

Had I been given a cite for "Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes" then I would have to accept the fact that he said it. As no cite has been provided I don't have to believe he said it.


 

[Mr Gray]

You seem to be talking about two different things. If I provide a quote from Kate McCann's book, you can criticise what she wrote, you can debate what she meant, but you can't deny she wrote it.

Had I been given a cite for "Rebelo admitted there could be mistakes" then I would have to accept the fact that he said it. As no cite has been provided I don't have to believe he said it.

you do not have to accept it as fact...it may be ...but I cannot find a cite. That may be because the article in the mail is no longer available

[Carana]

Yes.  For example, the capability of forensic analysis in the Cipriano case and the McCann case, as compared to what was claimed in the media, is yours for €30 IIRC.  Professora Helena Machado rings a bell.  University of Coimbra?

You posted a good summary of some of her articles here:
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/madeleine-by-helena-machado-filipe-santos/

This one was written by Felipe Santos as his doctoral project under Helena Machado and touches on the CSI effect via tabloid coverage:
http://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/bitstream/1822/25449/1/Santos%20Filipe%20-%20The%20Dissemination%20and%20Popularisation%20of%20Surveillance.pdf

There's also this one in Portuguese, by Santos and Machado. I haven't found it online in English.

CRIME, DRAMA E ENTRETENIMENTO.
O CASO MADDIE E A META-JUSTIÇA POPULAR
NA IMPRENSA PORTUGUESA
http://www.ces.uc.pt/publicacoes/oficina/ficheiros/310.pdf

[Mr Gray]

You posted a good summary of some of her articles here:
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/madeleine-by-helena-machado-filipe-santos/

This one was written by Felipe Santos as his doctoral project under Helena Machado and touches on the CSI effect via tabloid coverage:
http://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/bitstream/1822/25449/1/Santos%20Filipe%20-%20The%20Dissemination%20and%20Popularisation%20of%20Surveillance.pdf

There's also this one in Portuguese, by Santos and Machado. I haven't found it online in English.

CRIME, DRAMA E ENTRETENIMENTO.
O CASO MADDIE E A META-JUSTIÇA POPULAR
NA IMPRENSA PORTUGUESA
http://www.ces.uc.pt/publicacoes/oficina/ficheiros/310.pdf

I posted a link to the second one some time ago...it confirms no real evidence in the cipriano case

[Carana]

I posted a link to the second one some time ago...it confirms no real evidence in the cipriano case

In neither of the cases, in fact, despite the hype in the tabloids.

[G-Unit]

you do not have to accept it as fact...it may be ...but I cannot find a cite. That may be because the article in the mail is no longer available

Neither can I, and I have looked. I think it probably said the same as the other newspapers who were repeating the same story. Not a quote from Rebelo anywhere, just 'sources'.

[Alice Purjorick]

t one time it was  a bannable offence on this forum to say there is no real evidence in the cipriani case....but the fact is apart from the confessions...there isnt

If you apply your noddle a little bit it becomes self evident there will be no "real evidence" as you call it so the "revelation" comes as no surprise.
The surprise is the fuss made over it.

[Mr Gray]

If you apply your noddle a little bit it becomes self evident there will be no "real evidence" as you call it so the "revelation" comes as no surprise.
The surprise is the fuss made over it.

The revelation was not accepted on the forum.....so the fact there is no real evidence against somone who was sentenced to 20 + years...comes as no surprise... i find it quite shocking...and its not no real evidence...as I call it....as you would find out if you read the link

[Alice Purjorick]

Meanwhile back to the real plot:

Airy points are support points such that the ends of a beam will have zero local slope.
Or if you prefer it may be expressed this way:
Supporting a uniform beam at the Airy points produces zero angular deflection of the ends

that is a fact with or without a cite.......except here of course....

p.s I am not being flash. It’s just that there is a rather nice bit of juvenile humour involved here that I know will piss off some of the more po faced on here.
 “suspension at the Airy points” was always good for a giggle among generations of metrology/mechanics  students both male and female.

For the more cultured we could do the little mnemonic we used to remember bits of our Latin irregular verbs.
I am sure someone will come along and tell us all the proper word where I have used "bits".

dic had a duc with fer on its back and that is a fac......

[Mr Gray]

Meanwhile back to the real plot:

Airy points are support points such that the ends of a beam will have zero local slope.
Or if you prefer it may be expressed this way:
Supporting a uniform beam at the Airy points produces zero angular deflection of the ends

that is a fact with or without a cite.......except here of course....

p.s I am not being flash. It’s just that there is a rather nice bit of juvenile humour involved here that I know will piss off some of the more po faced on here.
 “suspension at the Airy points” was always good for a giggle among generations of metrology/mechanics  students both male and female.

For the more cultured we could do the little mnemonic we used to remember bits of our Latin irregular verbs.
I am sure someone will come along and tell us all the proper word where I have used "bits".

dic had a duc with fer on its back and that is a fac......

thats quite tame....oh oh oh to touch and feel.....I wont complete the mnenomic ...im sure you can work out what its for

[ShiningInLuz]

from your post just 2 posts ago...
For example, the capability of forensic analysis in the Cipriano case ..

so if you are going to introduce the cipriano case in a thread dont be too surprised if others respond........perhaps its best you keep it to the cipriano thread

Here is my post.

"For example, the capability of forensic analysis in the Cipriano case and the McCann case, as compared to what was claimed in the media, is yours for €30 IIRC.  Professora Helena Machado rings a bell.  University of Coimbra?"

If you manipulate my posts again, I will simply go the short route of reporting it.

The paper in question covered both cases.  Don't change it to Cipriano-only.  Take your Cipriano comments to the Cipriano forum.

[Alice Purjorick]

The revelation was not accepted on the forum.....so the fact there is no real evidence against somone who was sentenced to 20 + years...comes as no surprise... i find it quite shocking...and its not no real evidence...as I call it....as you would find out if you read the link

In the case of a "no body" murder any conviction will flow from circumstantial evidence and nowt else.
Mainly because the prosecution will have to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the victim is in fact dead which can only be done by circumstantial evidence.

As for what the forum accepts or does not accept hmmm well let's just say the forum is not reprensentive of leading advocates and legal minds so its opinion is somewhat restricted in scope.

[Robittybob1]

There is the ongoing issue of "Distinguishing Fact from Opinion" and the other problem is deciphering Alice's comments!

[slartibartfast]

There is the ongoing issue of "Distinguishing Fact from Opinion" and the other problem is deciphering Alice's comments!

Alice is speaking English IMO

[Robittybob1]

Alice is speaking English IMO

Well that is a good start.  There are plenty of words I've never come across before though., a dialect maybe? 
Do the UK citizens have certain characteristic written words as well as dialects?  Or is it like Chinese where the written language is common but the pronunciation is so different there are like two main languages?

I always test myself on Alice's posts.