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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2018, 07:46:19 PM »
Doesn't Ms O'Doherty use social media?  Doesn't she make You tube videos?  There you are then ... and here was me thinking she was an adept.

Where is the proof to substantiate her allegations?  No-one else's word is apparently good enough to get a get out of jail card ... so why should hers be?
Apart from the fact her opinion is pejorative towards hate figures for some.  Pathetic on both counts!

There was never any evidence that Martin Smith changed his mind, but a lot of people believed it when the media said he had.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2018, 07:47:25 PM »
Thank you for that.  Just goes to show she's hardly a household name though.

No one is allowed to post unsubstantiated allegations on this forum.  Where is the proof of Ms OD's assertions?

Are you saying the she's lying ? Now that is against forum rules.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2018, 07:50:03 PM »
You forgot IMO.

As to the retraction I'm sure if MS didn't retract his retraction he'll make sure we know that he didn't retract his retraction as he did with his original retration.
No matter how many retractions he makes I'd only believe him if he went to the PJ the next day not several weeks later.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #198 on: February 04, 2018, 07:51:28 PM »
Are you saying the she's lying ? Now that is against forum rules.
The title of the thread accuses the BBC of lying.  Pot - kettle situation here.
Faithlilly is not asking "were we lied to by the BBC?" but "why were we lie to by the BBC?"
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2018, 07:52:46 PM »
You forgot IMO.

As to the retraction I'm sure if MS didn't retract his retraction he'll make sure we know that he didn't retract his retraction as he did with his original retration.

No ... I forgot nothing.

I want to see proof of Ms OD's assertions.  She will have them or she would not have published without ... in my opinion ... no professional worth the name would.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #200 on: February 04, 2018, 07:53:25 PM »
In the part of his statement that I quoted the waiter said that Russell returned to the table at 21.45,  so Russell would have eaten most of his dinner before Kate give the alert so when he is saying the table was empty that would mean Dianne Webster would have left the table and she stayed there for at least 5 minutes or so I think.


Table witnesses disagree that Russell had ate most of his meal when Kate raised the alarm. Keep trying to make stuff up but I will be here to correct you.

"Russell came back to table and err they’d actually cooked him a fresh steak and he was just starting to tuck into it when err Kate had obviously gone back to check on the children, came running in you know, as far as I can recollect she said you know she’s gone, Gerry, Madeleine’s gone, screaming you know.

They’d cooked another steak for him, it didn’t take very long and he literally I suppose just had about two bites of it when err Kate came running."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

"I remember just before Kate returned to the table having, having gone to check on, erm, on their kids, because that was pretty much when Russell's steak arrived, I remember that being at that point'."

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 'I remember the steak being here sort of just before Kate came back'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #201 on: February 04, 2018, 07:54:06 PM »
Are you saying the she's lying ? Now that is against forum rules.

Show me where I have made that claim?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #202 on: February 04, 2018, 08:09:48 PM »
I'm just watching the Panorama programme now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08pmtb1/panorama-madeleine-mccann-10-years-on#

I've seen the part where Mr Smith's 60/80 identification of Gerry is covered. (around 19:00 mins)

I hear no mention of Mr Smith changing his mind about whom & what he saw. Only the presenters claim that Gerry was in the Tapas bar at the time of this sighting.

Having not seen the first broadcast, I can only imagine the retraction claim has indeed been edited out.

There is a notification that the programme has been edited since original broadcast, although it doesn't specify what, as is mentioned in Ms O'D's article.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #203 on: February 04, 2018, 08:18:19 PM »
No ... I forgot nothing.

I want to see proof of Ms OD's assertions.  She will have them or she would not have published without ... in my opinion ... no professional worth the name would.

To convey the message I believe you wish to convey the correct grammatical response is:
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #204 on: February 04, 2018, 08:23:31 PM »
Good question, but was there any suggestion by the Smith's they were looking at a man carrying a dead child?


I've seen it reported that Mrs Smith asked 'oh, is she asleep?'

She seemingly felt some uncertainty as to the exact status of the child, perhaps she felt the child may have been something other than asleep, somehow.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #205 on: February 04, 2018, 08:35:23 PM »
The title of the thread accuses the BBC of lying.  Pot - kettle situation here.
Faithlilly is not asking "were we lied to by the BBC?" but "why were we lie to by the BBC?"

See my earlier post, you can’t libel public bodies.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #206 on: February 04, 2018, 08:36:59 PM »
No ... I forgot nothing.

I want to see proof of Ms OD's assertions.  She will have them or she would not have published without ... in my opinion ... no professional worth the name would.

So you believe she is telling the truth? So why do you want her to prove it?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #207 on: February 04, 2018, 08:39:22 PM »
Watched the whole thing now.

Nowhere can I find any claim that Mr Smith ever changed his mind.

Readers are invited to watch the programme & correct me if I'm wrong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08pmtb1/panorama-madeleine-mccann-10-years-on#
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #208 on: February 04, 2018, 08:41:13 PM »
Good question, but was there any suggestion by the Smith's they were looking at a man carrying a dead child?

And that's something you can't test  ?>)()< Why would anyone think somebody was carrying a deceased child? As WS said "Oh is she asleep?" so something happened subconsciously to Mary Smith for her to ask that question because anybody could see the child was in a deep sleep. "Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck." Mary got no acknowledgement nor response.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #209 on: February 04, 2018, 08:47:29 PM »
Questioned, states that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was sleeping deeply. PS


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