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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #375 on: February 06, 2018, 09:05:02 AM »
I think you need to accept that Smith never changed his mind, Misty. That argument is over. Someone told the media he had, but it wasn't true.

As to that e-fit are you serious suggesting that your opinion of it amounts to evidence of some sort? Secondly, do you have a cite that it was made by Martin Smith?

Two points were stressed in media reports at the time and what interests me is this. If 'numerous witnesses' were able to give Gerry McCann an alibi it didn't matter what Mr Smith thought. Whoever told the media that Mr Smith had changed his mind must have suspected that Gerry's alibi wasn't unbreakable.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim

 Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56JYEp1s5

The original Sunday Times article was dated 27/08/2013.  The day before this Daily Mail article.

I believe this is where the claim was first published.

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'There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.'

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.'

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/78oct13/Times_27_10_2013.htm
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #376 on: February 06, 2018, 09:05:51 AM »
I think you need to accept that Smith never changed his mind, Misty. That argument is over. Someone told the media he had, but it wasn't true.

As to that e-fit are you serious suggesting that your opinion of it amounts to evidence of some sort? Secondly, do you have a cite that it was made by Martin Smith?

Two points were stressed in media reports at the time and what interests me is this. If 'numerous witnesses' were able to give Gerry McCann an alibi it didn't matter what Mr Smith thought. Whoever told the media that Mr Smith had changed his mind must have suspected that Gerry's alibi wasn't unbreakable.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim

 Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56JYEp1s5

Nail on the head !

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #377 on: February 06, 2018, 09:06:43 AM »
I think you need to accept that Smith never changed his mind, Misty. That argument is over. Someone told the media he had, but it wasn't true.

As to that e-fit are you serious suggesting that your opinion of it amounts to evidence of some sort? Secondly, do you have a cite that it was made by Martin Smith?

Two points were stressed in media reports at the time and what interests me is this. If 'numerous witnesses' were able to give Gerry McCann an alibi it didn't matter what Mr Smith thought. Whoever told the media that Mr Smith had changed his mind must have suspected that Gerry's alibi wasn't unbreakable.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim

 Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56JYEp1s5

So you think someone started the rumour over fear for Gerry's alibi... You even state it as fact..
That is wild speculation with no evidence of truth and shows how, far you are, willig to bend the truth to make it fit your theories.... All my opinion

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #378 on: February 06, 2018, 09:16:14 AM »
The options I can guess at are,

The Insight reporters invented the claim to cover their asses.

Or, the claim was made by one of the 3 sources quoted in the article, which were...

The source from Oakley.

Henri Exton.

The source from the fund.

Take your pick.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #379 on: February 06, 2018, 09:29:34 AM »
The options I can guess at are,

The Insight reporters invented the claim to cover their asses.

Or, the claim was made by one of the 3 sources quoted in the article, which were...

The source from Oakley.

Henri Exton.

The source from the fund.

Take your pick.

Do we know if the withdrawal claim was in the original Sunday Times article?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #380 on: February 06, 2018, 09:30:25 AM »
So you think someone started the rumour over fear for Gerry's alibi... You even state it as fact..
That is wild speculation with no evidence of truth and shows how, far you are, willig to bend the truth to make it fit your theories.... All my opinion

I should have made it clear that it is my opinion, sorry. I don't see Gerry's alibi as a fact, you see, so I thought perhaps others didn't either.

Why then, in your opinion, was the misinformation about Mr Smith  given to the media?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #381 on: February 06, 2018, 09:34:48 AM »
I should have made it clear that it is my opinion, sorry. I don't see Gerry's alibi as a fact, you see, so I thought perhaps others didn't either.

Why then, in your opinion, was the misinformation about Mr Smith  given to the media?

I've no idea... Could be a simple misunderstanding

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #382 on: February 06, 2018, 09:36:23 AM »
Do we know if the withdrawal claim was in the original Sunday Times article?

Yes, it was.


Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/78oct13/Times_27_10_2013.htm
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Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #383 on: February 06, 2018, 09:37:20 AM »
Maybe something triggered her memory. I believe there's a good possibility.

You mean like something triggered Jane's memory?    How many times has Jane been attacked for what she later said she saw?

Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #384 on: February 06, 2018, 09:38:45 AM »
The shape of the face & jawline are totally wrong for starters. I always thought the efit looked more like Jurgen Klinsmann.

I don't think it looks like Gerry either,   the hair is wrong,  the shape of the face as you say also wrong,  the nose too.   

Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #385 on: February 06, 2018, 09:39:22 AM »
Best practice is to conflate the two images.

Do that then.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #386 on: February 06, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »
I should have made it clear that it is my opinion, sorry. I don't see Gerry's alibi as a fact, you see, so I thought perhaps others didn't either.

Why then, in your opinion, was the misinformation about Mr Smith  given to the media?

A more important  point IMO is how reliable is smiths opinion it was Gerry... He said it was, based on how he held the child... It was dark.... He had been drinking... How, reliable, was it

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #387 on: February 06, 2018, 10:42:25 AM »
You mean like something triggered Jane's memory?    How many times has Jane been attacked for what she later said she saw?

SY has found and cleared that man so have confirmed that Jane saw him carrying his 2 year old smaller than Madeleine child like she said.

Take a look at the timeline below. Russell got back at 9:55 - 5 minutes before Kate left to check and raise the alarm.

Russell actually got back at 9:45 - 10 minutes earlier so that would suggest Kate left at 9:50 to check which tally's with Matt's statement and the waiter who served Russell.

By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by Kate McCann subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.
The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

The timeline is key in this case! Gerry's time of 9:15 is infact 9:05 according to him. Yet again a 10 minute discrepancy. You cannot hide the truth from me.

« Last Edit: February 06, 2018, 10:45:27 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #388 on: February 06, 2018, 10:43:59 AM »
I've no idea... Could be a simple misunderstanding

A misunderstanding of what? Something they read or were told?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #389 on: February 06, 2018, 10:49:05 AM »
A misunderstanding of what? Something they read or were told?
We don't know do we
That is a fact... You speculated it was deliberate which I find ridiculous
We still do not have a direct quote from Mr smith