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Offline jassi

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »
So are you saying that Gerry and Jane concocted a story about an abductor?   Why?   Jane hardly knew Gerry.

But her partner Russell did.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2018, 12:51:56 PM »

Too much Opinion as Fact.  Watch it, please.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2018, 12:54:42 PM »
So are you saying that Gerry and Jane concocted a story about an abductor?   Why?   Jane hardly knew Gerry.

She certainly seems to be the most malleable of the group. Look how Gerry undermined her in Madeleine Was Here.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2018, 01:01:13 PM »
Perhaps the waiter was mistaken & had confused one of the other group members for Gerry. Maybe that.


On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2018, 01:03:32 PM »

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

All this before 10pm, excellent, that fits nicely with my theory, thank you very much.
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Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2018, 01:04:44 PM »
She certainly seems to be the most malleable of the group. Look how Gerry undermined her in Madeleine Was Here.

Really,  I think you are clutching at straws.   Jane didn't appear stupid to me and in my opinion I can't see her lying to the police about seeing a man carrying a child.   Jane was in her apartment when the alert was raised,  she only learned about Madeleine being missing from another one of the friends,  she hadn't seen Gerry,   so how was she menat to have got together with him to concoct that story?

Offline Lace

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2018, 01:06:18 PM »
All this before 10pm, excellent, that fits nicely with my theory, thank you very much.

If you read the statement properly,  you will see the waiter wasn't certain of the time.   You need to read the other waiters statement about ordering dinner.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2018, 01:07:39 PM »
If you read the statement properly,  you will see the waiter wasn't certain of the time.   You need to read the other waiters statement about ordering dinner.

I've read plenty of statements, & I'm quite satisfied the alarm was raised before 10pm, thankyou.
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Offline jassi

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2018, 01:10:40 PM »
Really,  I think you are clutching at straws.   Jane didn't appear stupid to me and in my opinion I can't see her lying to the police about seeing a man carrying a child.   Jane was in her apartment when the alert was raised,  she only learned about Madeleine being missing from another one of the friends,  she hadn't seen Gerry,   so how was she menat to have got together with him to concoct that story?

Nobody knows what another is capable of.
We don't know when she saw Gerry.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2018, 01:15:38 PM »
All this before 10pm, excellent, that fits nicely with my theory, thank you very much.

"I do not remember with certainty."

Are you saying that you missed this?  Or are you deliberately trying to mislead?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #115 on: February 04, 2018, 01:16:27 PM »
Really,  I think you are clutching at straws.   Jane didn't appear stupid to me and in my opinion I can't see her lying to the police about seeing a man carrying a child.   Jane was in her apartment when the alert was raised,  she only learned about Madeleine being missing from another one of the friends,  she hadn't seen Gerry,   so how was she menat to have got together with him to concoct that story?

I didn't say she was stupid just easily frightened ( note her overreaction to the van surveillance). I don't think it would have been too difficult to convince her to 'remember' seeing Gerry and Wilkins, perhaps he sold it to her that if he and Kate went down the whole group would be implicated. IMO.

As to Jane being in the apartment perhaps it was one of those 'translation' errors ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2018, 01:31:46 PM »
If you read the statement properly,  you will see the waiter wasn't certain of the time.   You need to read the other waiters statement about ordering dinner.

The waiter who served Russell his steak said it was as early as 9:50pm. This case has never been difficult to connect all the pieces together. The timeline is key because there is so much BS.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #117 on: February 04, 2018, 01:33:12 PM »
"I do not remember with certainty."

Are you saying that you missed this?  Or are you deliberately trying to mislead?

I've read it.

It doesn't alter my thinking. Thankyou kindly.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2018, 01:46:34 PM »
So smith thinks the man he saw may have been gerry but hes not sure

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2018, 01:50:20 PM »
So smith thinks the man he saw may have been gerry but hes not sure

Apparently so.

Just like SY believe Jane Tanner didn't see an abductor, but they're not sure about that either.

So much uncertainty in this case.

Except abduction, that's a fact apparently. Although, I'm still unsure exactly what proves as much.
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