Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?

[Eleanor]

Are you new to this case?

He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

An interesting statement is that.  If you read on a bit.  Not only did Mr. Smith not notice much at all, he also stated that he wouldn't be able to recognise him by photo or in person.

Thanks for that.  That's what I call a Cite.

[Angelo222]

The Martin Smith identification of Gerry has always bothered me. Smith claims that when he saw Gerry carrying Sean down the steps of the aircraft he was immediately reminded of the man he had encountered in Praia da Luz.  He must have discussed this with his wife Mary or the others before troubling the Garda otherwise he was opening himself up to ridicule.  They collectively must have thought that the man resembled Gerry sufficiently to alert the police.

It might not have been Gerry but what is certain is that he looked like him.

[jassi]

An interesting statement is that.  If you read on a bit.  Not only did Mr. Smith not notice much at all, he also stated that he wouldn't be able to recognise him by photo or in person.

Thanks for that.  That's what I call a Cite.

He doesn't have to identify anyone. Like an e-fit, he has pointed the investigation in a certain direction and it is for the police to sort out identity of this person.

[Wonderfulspam]

An interesting statement is that.  If you read on a bit.  Not only did Mr. Smith not notice much at all, he also stated that he wouldn't be able to recognise him by photo or in person.

Thanks for that.  That's what I call a Cite.

So will you be going back & deleting your demonstrably false claim?

I won't hold my breath.

The point in question was, did he see the mans face?

Evidently, he did.

[Mr Gray]

So will you be going back & deleting your demonstrably false claim?

I won't hold my breath.

The point in question was, did he see the mans face?

Evidently, he did.

just seeing a small part of the side of the face would show if glasses or a beard was present

[Wonderfulspam]

just seeing a small part of the side of the face would show if glasses or a beard was present

The side of his face is still his face. That's why it's got the word face in it.

So, he saw his face.

[Mr Gray]

The side of his face is still his face. That's why it's got the word face in it.

So, he saw his face.

no he saw the side of his face...thats why its got the word side in....it seems he didnt see his face...if he had seen his face he would have recognised his face...he didnt recognise his face

[Wonderfulspam]

no he saw the side of his face...thats why its got the word side in....it seems he didnt see his face

Cite for this?

[Lace]

Are you new to this case?

He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Martin Smith -   

— Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing. He states that the individual carried the child in his arms, with her head laying on the individual's left shoulder, that being to the right of the deponent. He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.


So,  the man didn't look like a tourist and held the child in an uncomfortable position,   well Gerry was a tourist and would be used to carrying his children and so they wouldn't have looked uncomfortable when he was carrying them.

[Wonderfulspam]

Martin Smith -   

— Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing. He states that the individual carried the child in his arms, with her head laying on the individual's left shoulder, that being to the right of the deponent. He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.


So,  the man didn't look like a tourist and held the child in an uncomfortable position,   well Gerry was a tourist and would be used to carrying his children and so they wouldn't have looked uncomfortable when he was carrying them.

I don't believe he meant it was the child that looked uncomfortable, I doubt the child knew much of the situation at all.

[pathfinder73]

Waiter -   
When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

So he is saying the guest returned about quarter to 10,   he managed to eat most of his dinner so add another five minutes or so that's about 10 to 10  it could easily have been about 5 to 10 or even 10 when Kate came back.

Gerry then went to the apartment to search it again,  then he went outside to test the blind,  how long would that take?   Then he was seen searching around the pool area,   he couldn't possibly have been the person the Smith family saw at 10 o'clock.

"The appetiser/starters were served by one of his colleagues. After 25 to 30 minutes, it was the witness who served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he now knows to be Russell, had left the table. He did not know where he had gone. The witness was asked to keep Russell's meal warm."

"Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

[Lace]

I don't believe he meant it was the child that looked uncomfortable, I doubt the child knew much of the situation at all.

I took it to mean he was carrying the child in an uncomfortable way as if he was used to carrying children,  my point was Gerry was used to carrying his children so he wouldn't look as if he was carrying them in an uncomfortable way.

[Lace]

The witness was asked to keep Russell's meal warm[/b]."

"Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

In the part of his statement that I quoted the waiter said that Russell returned to the table at 21.45,  so Russell would have eaten most of his dinner before Kate give the alert so when he is saying the table was empty that would mean Dianne Webster would have left the table and she stayed there for at least 5 minutes or so I think.

[Wonderfulspam]

I took it to mean he was carrying the child in an uncomfortable way as if he was used to carrying children,  my point was Gerry was used to carrying his children so he wouldn't look as if he was carrying them in an uncomfortable way.

With Maddie being age 4 & quite capable of ambulating, I doubt Gerry would often have to carry her long distances. 

[Robittybob1]

I took it to mean he was carrying the child in an uncomfortable way as if he was used to carrying children,  my point was Gerry was used to carrying his children so he wouldn't look as if he was carrying them in an uncomfortable way.

IMO Sean looks perfectly comfortable coming off the plane.