Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?

[Mr Gray]

Aoife could have stayed a little longer.

No explanation for this massive discrepancy

[Robittybob1]

None of the group admit in their statements to being in separate locations for a half-hour period.

They seem be allowed to make omissions in statements.  It would also generate an opportunity to do other things altogether in that half hour.  I wouldn't say everything they did is written in their statement.

[Robittybob1]

No explanation for this massive discrepancy

IMO - "I think there is but the statement was withheld possibly IMO.  The reported incident of Aoife seeing Gerry and Jez talking has some veracity (there are hints of it, (a bit like Carol Carpenters statement) whispers of it), but for that to have happened there had to be opportunity and 30 minutes is more than enough opportunity."

Do you know the report I'm alluding too?

[Robittybob1]

there is a whole thread about it on the forum http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3550.msg134562#msg134562 "Who was the Irish teenager who saw Gerry and Jez talking?"

In this article it even gives the reason she doesn't mention it in her statement. http://www.anorak.co.uk/177197/reviews/madeleine-mccann-irish-teenger-saw-gerry-mcann.html/

[G-Unit]

Someone suggested Mr Smith had changed his mind. Whoever told the MSM that had a reason for doing it. Who had enough influence to persuade them to print that? Why did none of them check with Mr Smith as the Mirror did?

30/1/2008
It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

14/10/2013
Crimewatch show e-fits of the above man

16/10/2013
Commenting on the Crimewatch documentary which was broadcast on Monday night he added: “The only new thing in the investigation is the elimination of Jane Tanner’s sighting.

“Apart from that from our point of view everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time. We have nothing more to add.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328


28/10/2013
Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56Gpy9Neo

[misty]

If Martin Smith hadn't changed his mind, why did he produce an efit back in 2008 which bore no resemblance to Gerry McCann?

[Robittybob1]

Someone suggested Mr Smith had changed his mind. Whoever told the MSM that had a reason for doing it. Who had enough influence to persuade them to print that? Why did none of them check with Mr Smith as the Mirror did?

30/1/2008
It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

14/10/2013
Crimewatch show e-fits of the above man

16/10/2013
Commenting on the Crimewatch documentary which was broadcast on Monday night he added: “The only new thing in the investigation is the elimination of Jane Tanner’s sighting.

“Apart from that from our point of view everything else remains the same in relation to what we said to the police and the media at the time. We have nothing more to add.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328


28/10/2013
Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56Gpy9Neo

That was a very good study there G-unit.  IMO When I read that article  it sounded that the first report may have come from the McCanns themselves.  OK they don't say it openly but the McCanns didn't trust the Smiths but now they do because it appears the Smiths have changed their mind.  There was a good reason for doing so for the McCanns were winning cases for damages.

"The McCanns are now fully behind the fresh police drive and release of the E-fits – but five years ago they were reluctant to issue them, possibly in part because witness Mr Smith’s account seemed inconsistent and unreliable.

Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim – just as Portuguese police have officially told the McCanns they are no longer suspects for their daughter’s disappearance.

The couple have also won libel damages for false suggestions that they were in any way involved."



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56GzQU7wd

[slartibartfast]

If Martin Smith hadn't changed his mind, why did he produce an efit back in 2008 which bore no resemblance to Gerry McCann?

IMO as an efit it does look like him.

[misty]

IMO as an efit it does look like him.

The shape of the face & jawline are totally wrong for starters. I always thought the efit looked more like Jurgen Klinsmann.

[faithlilly]

The shape of the face & jawline are totally wrong for starters. I always thought the efit looked more like Jurgen Klinsmann.

Best practice is to conflate the two images.

[Robittybob1]

Best practice is to conflate the two images.

Who determined "best practice"?  Cite please?

[misty]

If the forum started explaining things to you that you don't undestand Rob there would be no time for discussion.

To be honest I think when John made you a moderator he was having a laugh......unfortunately it's at our expense.

Unfortunately, Faithlilly, some of us have to google the contents of most of Alice's posts to even begin to understand what he's on about. It can be rather frustrating and is perhaps better placed on the forum where intellechewalls now gather for meaningful musings about....well, you know.

[Robittybob1]

I don't mind researching things I don't understand so you don't need to explain everything to me.
Faithlilly - "If the forum started explaining things to you that you don't understand Rob there would be no time for discussion."   Not expected, but goading will continue to be moderated.

[slartibartfast]

That is my opinion being a moderator. Do you disagree?  I'm just asking Alice in cases where she writes GISS and other coded messages as a post to be somewhat more self explanatory.

Sorry I misread it as being a critism of you as a moderator.

[G-Unit]

If Martin Smith hadn't changed his mind, why did he produce an efit back in 2008 which bore no resemblance to Gerry McCann?

I think you need to accept that Smith never changed his mind, Misty. That argument is over. Someone told the media he had, but it wasn't true.

As to that e-fit are you serious suggesting that your opinion of it amounts to evidence of some sort? Secondly, do you have a cite that it was made by Martin Smith?

Two points were stressed in media reports at the time and what interests me is this. If 'numerous witnesses' were able to give Gerry McCann an alibi it didn't matter what Mr Smith thought. Whoever told the media that Mr Smith had changed his mind must have suspected that Gerry's alibi wasn't unbreakable.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim

 Numerous witnesses have also given statements making clear that Mr McCann was at his holiday complex at the moment the sighting occurred – which was at the very time when he and his wife started calling for help looking for Maddie.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html#ixzz56JYEp1s5