Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?

[Robittybob1]

I wonder why Gemma O'Doherty used only the efit prepared by Peter Smith, rather than the one by Martin Smith, in
her article? (see post #14).

Images obtained by Oakley International in 2008 as per journalist Adrian Gatton, an acquaintance of Halligen

She may not have been informed which E-fit was made by each person.  The one that looks most like Gerry would have been a good guess but in fact that is wrong.

[misty]

She may not have been informed which E-fit was made by each person.  The one that looks most like Gerry would have been a good guess but in fact that is wrong.

I would have thought that Ms O'Doherty, as an investigative journalist, would have clarified with MS which efit he was involved in producing or at least published both images.
IMO her article is as misleading as the BBC's unverified assertion MS had changed his mind about the identification he offered to the PJ.

[Robittybob1]

I had always thought the Smiths waited 2 weeks before they made a statement but in fact it was 3 weeks 1 day. I struggle with that actually.
The other thing to consider is whether there would be any benefit in re-interviewing all the Smith family members.
 There was 9 of them (??? I think) yet only 3 have made a full statement.

From Goncalo's book "- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine. - The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed. "  So the date that the Smith's reported the incident must have been before the date of the statement.  When did they make first contact with the PJ?

[Robittybob1]

What is written here doesn't sound like what we know but it is what Goncalo says "Chapter 21 - An Irish family in shock - pages 197-199 "
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/the-smiths-sighting.html for the text.
"- We make the decision to bring the Smiths back to Portugal. They will be heard, and in legal and procedural terms, will give their identification using televised images, since a personal identification [of Gerry] is out of the question.

- A reconstitution of that night, with the Smiths, is seriously considered.

- But the Smiths don't return to Portugal.

- The Portuguese police changed their minds after GA leaves the team; they decide to use the international request mechanism [letters rogatory]

- This leads to absurd delays

- In the meantime, rumours abound that strangers to the investigation have found about about this witness and his family and, supposedly, have tried to talk to Smith, though their intentions in doing so are unknown"


Were the Smiths part of the re-enactment?  Once the re-enactment was abandoned by the Portuguese they opted for the rogatory interviews.  Were rogatory interviews done with the Smiths as well?

[Robittybob1]

You must wonder if the lighting wasn't better than they first said.  Aoife describes the possibility of buttons on beige trousers.  If they were anything like the photo that is surprising. That photo is taken in broad daylight.  How could they be seen at night?
 

[Robittybob1]

I had always thought the Smiths waited 2 weeks before they made a statement but in fact it was 3 weeks 1 day. I struggle with that actually.
The other thing to consider is whether there would be any benefit in re-interviewing all the Smith family members.
 There was 9 of them (??? I think) yet only 3 have made a full statement.

From Goncalo's book "- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine. - The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed. "  So the date that the Smith's reported the incident must have been before the date of the statement.  When did they make first contact with the PJ?

I found an article that discusses the timeline of the Smith statements.  You must wonder where this information comes from. http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/martin-smith-timeline-from-3-may-2007.html

"16 May 2007



Martin Smith reports his sighting to the Portuguese Police



Martin Smith says that he gets a telephone call from his son, Peter. He says: “We were home two weeks [actually 13 days] when my son rang up and asked was he dreaming or did we meet a man carrying a child the night Madeleine was taken. We all remembered that we had the same recollection. I felt we should report it to the police".



At this time, no information about the possible sighting by Jane Tanner has yet been announced.



Martin Smith claimed in one interview that it was his son, Peter, who prompted him to call the Portuguese police about the family’s claimed ‘sighting’ of a man carrying a child. He said: “We were home two weeks when my son rang up and asked was he dreaming or did we meet a man carrying a child the night Madeleine was taken. We all remembered that we had the same recollection. I felt we should report it to the police". [COMMENT: That statement, taken at face value, is significant for a number of reasons. If correct, Peter is reported as saying that he wasn’t sure if he was dreaming or if he really did see someone. How he can then go on to (apparently) remember so many details about the man and the child raises a major question mark about Martin Smith’s comment]."

[Robittybob1]

How the Smiths can sit on this information for 2 weeks is surprising and worrying.  It would be crucial to know how the son of the builder of Estrela da Luz knew about Madeleine going missing at the airport needs discovering too

[Mr Gray]

You must wonder if the lighting wasn't better than they first said.  Aoife describes the possibility of buttons on beige trousers.  If they were anything like the photo that is surprising. That photo is taken in broad daylight.  How could they be seen at night?
 

The buttons comment interests me and suggests teh PJ putting words into witnesses mouths. Saying did the trousers have buttons..answer possibly.....so the non verbatim statemnet says...trousers possibly had buttons

[Eleanor]

What is written here doesn't sound like what we know but it is what Goncalo says "Chapter 21 - An Irish family in shock - pages 197-199 "
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/the-smiths-sighting.html for the text.
"- We make the decision to bring the Smiths back to Portugal. They will be heard, and in legal and procedural terms, will give their identification using televised images, since a personal identification [of Gerry] is out of the question.

- A reconstitution of that night, with the Smiths, is seriously considered.

- But the Smiths don't return to Portugal.

- The Portuguese police changed their minds after GA leaves the team; they decide to use the international request mechanism [letters rogatory]

- This leads to absurd delays

- In the meantime, rumours abound that strangers to the investigation have found about about this witness and his family and, supposedly, have tried to talk to Smith, though their intentions in doing so are unknown"


Were the Smiths part of the re-enactment?  Once the re-enactment was abandoned by the Portuguese they opted for the rogatory interviews.  Were rogatory interviews done with the Smiths as well?

Wrong Country.  The Rogatory Letters only covered Britain.  The Smiths live in Southern Ireland which is not part of The United Kingdom.

When The PJ discovered this they didn't bother to reapply.  So therefor it can't have been that important to them.

[Wonderfulspam]

How the Smiths can sit on this information for 2 weeks is surprising and worrying.  It would be crucial to know how the son of the builder of Estrela da Luz knew about Madeleine going missing at the airport needs discovering too

They probably didn't think too much about what they saw at the time, if at all.
Mr Smith thought the sighting was father & daughter, I don't think he was wrong.

[Wonderfulspam]

The buttons comment interests me and suggests teh PJ putting words into witnesses mouths. Saying did the trousers have buttons..answer possibly.....so the non verbatim statemnet says...trousers possibly had buttons

Why would the PJ be asking if the trousers had buttons?

Seems like an odd question to ask.

Do most mens trousers have buttons?

[G-Unit]

What is written here doesn't sound like what we know but it is what Goncalo says "Chapter 21 - An Irish family in shock - pages 197-199 "
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/the-smiths-sighting.html for the text.
"- We make the decision to bring the Smiths back to Portugal. They will be heard, and in legal and procedural terms, will give their identification using televised images, since a personal identification [of Gerry] is out of the question.

- A reconstitution of that night, with the Smiths, is seriously considered.

- But the Smiths don't return to Portugal.

- The Portuguese police changed their minds after GA leaves the team; they decide to use the international request mechanism [letters rogatory]

- This leads to absurd delays

- In the meantime, rumours abound that strangers to the investigation have found about about this witness and his family and, supposedly, have tried to talk to Smith, though their intentions in doing so are unknown"


Were the Smiths part of the re-enactment?  Once the re-enactment was abandoned by the Portuguese they opted for the rogatory interviews.  Were rogatory interviews done with the Smiths as well?

I didn't know the PJ included the Smiths in their rogatory requests. Do you have a cite for that please?

[Robittybob1]

I didn't know the PJ included the Smiths in their rogatory requests. Do you have a cite for that please?

I was quoting a cite in my post who were supposedly quoting from Amaral's book.  Did Amaral write that or have they misquoted him?  That is why I raised the point and "asked did it happen?"  with the words "Were the Smiths part of the re-enactment?".  It was news to me but it was supposedly quote from GA's book.  It isn't me who is making the claim.
Do you have his book chapter 21.

[Robittybob1]

They probably didn't think too much about what they saw at the time, if at all.
Mr Smith thought the sighting was father & daughter, I don't think he was wrong.

Was that a father carrying a living daughter or his deceased daughter?  I ask this since you "think" so well like Martin Smith?

[jassi]

Only Smithman knows that for certain. The rest of us can only guess