Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?

[Carana]

In my opinion the McCluskey 'recognition' of Gerry carrying his son from the plane is a prime example as explained in many of the contents of your posts.  One wonders if there was any influence on the misconception of Smith and McCluskey as the result of the arguido status which had been conferred on Kate and Gerry making the unthinkable thinkable.

That seems totally plausible to me, Brietta.

Martin Smith had ample time to recognise Gerry way prior to his newly acquired arguido status, watching him go down the plane steps with a soundly-asleep little boy in his arms.

IMO, watching that probably did trigger a memory of how whoever he saw carried a child. And it was different to how Jane described Tannerman carryinng a child across his arms.

[sadie]

What has that got to do with anything?

Think about it Slarti

[Robittybob1]

What has that got to do with anything?

What I am thinking that if the interviews the PJ had with the Smiths did occur, (as detailed in GA's book but not in the file), it is possible that during those interviews Martin Smith expressed a view that he changed his mind.  We have no evidence what was said during those interviews but the planned reconstruction involving the Smiths did not go ahead so it is prudent to think the answers were not supportive of Amaral's desire to finger Kate and Gerry (in particular Gerry in this case, for it was clearly not Kate carrying the child).

In fact I will have to examine them closely, but do any of Gerry's arguido questions allude to, in any way, Gerry possibly being Smithman?

[Robittybob1]

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In fact I will have to examine them closely, but do any of Gerry's arguido questions allude to, in any way, Gerry possibly being Smithman?

Gerry states in his arguido statement: "When asked if he had any responsibility or participation in the disappearance of his daughter Madeleine, he peremptorily denies this."  This must mean he denies being Smithman.

Would Gerry have been made aware of the fact that there was a Smithman seen by the Smith Family at that time? 

[Carana]

What I am thinking that if the interviews the PJ had with the Smiths did occur, (as detailed in GA's book but not in the file), it is possible that during those interviews Martin Smith expressed a view that he changed his mind.  We have no evidence what was said during those interviews but the planned reconstruction involving the Smiths did not go ahead so it is prudent to think the answers were not supportive of Amaral's desire to finger Kate and Gerry (in particular Gerry in this case, for it was clearly not Kate carrying the child).

In fact I will have to examine them closely, but do any of Gerry's arguido questions allude to, in any way, Gerry possibly being Smithman?

Amaral said he was going to get them over - but then he got sacked and it didn't happen (aside from Rebelo asking for clarification).

[slartibartfast]

Amaral said he was going to get them over - but then he got sacked and it didn't happen (aside from Rebelo asking for clarification).

As OG thought it was a main lead, surely that must cast doubt on Rebelo's skills?

[Carana]

Agreed but even if giving a percentage score, surely someone would say about sixty per cent or about eighty percent depending on their certainty. It's just such a strange way of indicating their strength of belief. Imo.

It may well have been the police who asked him, with a choice of percentages. A bit like medical staff ask about pain levels from 0-10.

[Mr Gray]

As OG thought it was a main lead, surely that must cast doubt on Rebelo's skills?

Perhaps Rebelo and SY decided he had told them all he knew. Smith said he would not be, able to recognise smithman again.

[faithlilly]

Perhaps Rebelo and SY decided he had told them all he knew. Smith said he would not be, able to recognise smithman again.

And yet OG considered MS’s efit a very important lead, as did Exton before them.

[Robittybob1]

Amaral said he was going to get them over - but then he got sacked and it didn't happen (aside from Rebelo asking for clarification).

The Tapas 9 are criticised for not attending the reconstruction but we don't get the same criticism levelled at the Smiths.    I have just realised what could be the driver behind the whole process.   Trouble is saying it.

[Mr Gray]

And yet OG considered MS’s efit a very important lead, as did Exton before them.

It is an important  lead and it's important  to identify  and interview  smithman
That would rely on him coming g forward, or someone else providing information... Smith seems to have nothing else

[G-Unit]

The Tapas 9 are criticised for not attending the reconstruction but we don't get the same criticism levelled at the Smiths.    I have just realised what could be the driver behind the whole process.   Trouble is saying it.

The Smiths weren't asked to attend a reconstitution as far as I know.

[Carana]

The Tapas 9 are criticised for not attending the reconstruction but we don't get the same criticism levelled at the Smiths.    I have just realised what could be the driver behind the whole process.   Trouble is saying it.

The Smiths had already been over in May 07. If there had been a firm request, perhaps they would have gone over again. What on earth could they have re-enacted apart from what they'd already done the first time?

According to his book, Amaral's main idea was to get the "Smiths" (without specifying who amongst them) back over to make a "formal identification" of Gerry.


IMO, it was a much better idea for Rebelo to seek clarification via their local police force first. At least there wouldn't have been any interpretation issues. Even if they'd all been adamant that it was indeed Gerry after all, they could have signed affidavits from there, which would have then been translated for the PJ files.

What intrigues me is whether he only intended to bring over Martin and possibly his wife or all of them (including those who didn't think it was Gerry).

Answers on a postcard...

[Robittybob1]

The Smiths weren't asked to attend a reconstitution as far as I know.

Misty had given us that quote from Amaral's book,  A lot of communication with the Smiths is not covered in the file but there was a reference to it in "the Truth of the Lie".

The Smiths had already been over in May 07. If there had been a firm request, perhaps they would have gone over again. What on earth could they have re-enacted apart from what they'd already done the first time?

According to his book, Amaral's main idea was to get the "Smiths" (without specifying who amongst them) back over to make a "formal identification" of Gerry.


IMO, it was a much better idea for Rebelo to seek clarification via their local police force first. At least there wouldn't have been any interpretation issues. Even if they'd all been adamant that it was indeed Gerry after all, they could have signed affidavits from there, which would have then been translated for the PJ files.

What intrigues me is whether he only intended to bring over Martin and possibly his wife or all of them (including those who didn't think it was Gerry).

Answers on a postcard...

The second reconstruction was going to involve images of Gerry carrying a child.  Something creative like that.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9114.msg445425#msg445425

[G-Unit]

Misty had given us that quote from Amaral's book,  A lot of communication with the Smiths is not covered in the file but there was a reference to it in "the Truth of the Lie".

The second reconstruction was going to involve images of Gerry carrying a child.  Something creative like that.

Amaral planned to bring them back again, but he got removed. The idea was dropped and as they weren't asked how can you say they refused?