Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?

[Robittybob1]

Amaral planned to bring them back again, but he got removed. The idea was dropped and as they weren't asked how can you say they refused?

Can you be sure they weren't asked?  I can't. OK refused maybe OTT.

[Carana]

Can you be sure they weren't asked?  I can't. OK refused maybe OTT.

PF posted on a different thread ages ago that Paiva had called them to ask if they'd be willing to come over (I've no idea where PF picked that up from, nor whether that's accurate). If so, it may well have been simply an informal call to check if they'd be willing to do so in principle, if needed.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they'd refused.

[Robittybob1]

PF posted on a different thread ages ago that Paiva had called them to ask if they'd be willing to come over (I've no idea where PF picked that up from, nor whether that's accurate). If so, it may well have been simply an informal call to check if they'd be willing to do so in principle, if needed.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they'd refused.

well even if informal question and answer went like this: "Are willing to come over?"  "No not really"  Is that a refusal? 

[Carana]

As OG thought it was a main lead, surely that must cast doubt on Rebelo's skills?

Why would that cast doubt on Rebelo's skills?

Identifying Smithman may well still be an issue (unless the guy has since been identified and eliminated and it simply hasn't been announced in the media).

However, Rebelo sought clarification as to why Martin thought it might have been Gerry: it was just the way the man held his child. There aren't 10k ways of carrying a small child, particularly heading downwards where you need to make sure you won't trip.

IMO, the equivalent is discovering that a white van was a suspected vehicle in an armed robbery. The fact of having briefly seen a white van passing within the vicinity doesn't offer any more information as to whether it was the white van of interest or not. Particularly if others present at the same moment contest whether the vehicle was white or actually a van.

[Carana]

well even if informal question and answer went like this: "Are willing to come over?"  "No not really"  Is that a refusal?

But where are you getting this idea that they refused from? lol

[misty]

Can you be sure they weren't asked?  I can't. OK refused maybe OTT.

MS was asked to go back again in Sept. '07.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

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Processos Vol XI Page 2875

Policia Judiciaria

NUIPC 201-070 GALGS

NOTE

On this date I state for the files that at about 12.12 I had telephone contact with the witness Martin Smith, by means of phone number ********* who referred to the communication he made on 20-09-2007 to the British authorities, that confirms his sighting and showing his full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.

Portimao, 27th September 2007

Signed

Inspector Paiva

[jassi]

The Smiths appear to be only ones willing to cooperate with the Portuguese.

[misty]

The Smiths appear to be only ones willing to cooperate with the Portuguese.

They hadn't been accused of anything or shown the slippery stairs. In fact, they were given VIP treatment, judging by PJ standards at the time.....

[jassi]

Jez refused. The Tapas 7 refused. What were they accused of ?

[misty]

Jez refused. The Tapas 7 refused. What were they accused of ?

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s190.html


Maddie has been missing six months

Sunday November 4,2007
By Matt Drake


FOUR friends of Kate and Gerry McCann expect to be named as prime suspects over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield and Dr David Payne were last night forced to bring in their own lawyers after increasing fears that Portuguese police were preparing to implicate them in the case of the vanished four-year-old girl.

It has emerged that the four, all members of the “Tapas Nine” dining party, have been warned detectives are prepared to make them official suspects in the next few days.

The latest dramatic development follows the discovery by Portuguese investigators of contradictions in key statements made in the first few hours after Madeleine vanished.    ........cont.



JW insisted on handwriting his own witness statement in the UK. Was he wary of the Portuguese police after his initial encounter with them?

[Carana]

MS was asked to go back again in Sept. '07.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

*snipped*

Processos Vol XI Page 2875

Policia Judiciaria

NUIPC 201-070 GALGS

NOTE

On this date I state for the files that at about 12.12 I had telephone contact with the witness Martin Smith, by means of phone number ********* who referred to the communication he made on 20-09-2007 to the British authorities, that confirms his sighting and showing his full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.

Portimao, 27th September 2007

Signed

Inspector Paiva

OK, So PF was correct - as the post hadn't provided a cite, I wasn't sure of the origin.

So... according to that it WAS only Martin the PJ were interested in.

Ok. Forget answers on a postcard, a stamp will do. :)

[Carana]

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s190.html


Maddie has been missing six months

Sunday November 4,2007
By Matt Drake


FOUR friends of Kate and Gerry McCann expect to be named as prime suspects over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield and Dr David Payne were last night forced to bring in their own lawyers after increasing fears that Portuguese police were preparing to implicate them in the case of the vanished four-year-old girl.

It has emerged that the four, all members of the “Tapas Nine” dining party, have been warned detectives are prepared to make them official suspects in the next few days.

The latest dramatic development follows the discovery by Portuguese investigators of contradictions in key statements made in the first few hours after Madeleine vanished.    ........cont.



JW insisted on handwriting his own witness statement in the UK. Was he wary of the Portuguese police after his initial encounter with them?

Possibly, or that naughty fan...

[faithlilly]

Why would that cast doubt on Rebelo's skills?

Identifying Smithman may well still be an issue (unless the guy has since been identified and eliminated and it simply hasn't been announced in the media).

However, Rebelo sought clarification as to why Martin thought it might have been Gerry: it was just the way the man held his child. There aren't 10k ways of carrying a small child, particularly heading downwards where you need to make sure you won't trip.

IMO, the equivalent is discovering that a white van was a suspected vehicle in an armed robbery. The fact of having briefly seen a white van passing within the vicinity doesn't offer any more information as to whether it was the white van of interest or not. Particularly if others present at the same moment contest whether the vehicle was white or actually a van.

But if a representation of that van is drawn and the people accused of driving the van refuse to publicise that representation what should we gauge from that ?

[G-Unit]

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s190.html


Maddie has been missing six months

Sunday November 4,2007
By Matt Drake


FOUR friends of Kate and Gerry McCann expect to be named as prime suspects over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield and Dr David Payne were last night forced to bring in their own lawyers after increasing fears that Portuguese police were preparing to implicate them in the case of the vanished four-year-old girl.

It has emerged that the four, all members of the “Tapas Nine” dining party, have been warned detectives are prepared to make them official suspects in the next few days.

The latest dramatic development follows the discovery by Portuguese investigators of contradictions in key statements made in the first few hours after Madeleine vanished.    ........cont.



JW insisted on handwriting his own witness statement in the UK. Was he wary of the Portuguese police after his initial encounter with them?

Did he?

[Robittybob1]

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s190.html


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JW insisted on handwriting his own witness statement in the UK. Was he wary of the Portuguese police after his initial encounter with them?

Who's hand writing was JW statement if he "insisted on handwriting his own witness statement"?  Is it his or the interviewing police officer?