Movement and sound coming from within WHF

[ActualMat]

I wrote the above last night whilst multi-tasking along with a glass of Erdinger!  So just to be clear Mike denied the holocaust and Buddy challenged him only to be met by a foul-mouthed tirade.

I've always managed to avoid any badness from Mike, suprises me but for some reason our paths have never crossed and any time I've spoken with him it's been quite cordial.

[Holly Goodhead]

I've always managed to avoid any badness from Mike, suprises me but for some reason our paths have never crossed and any time I've spoken with him it's been quite cordial.

Yes he seems to accept some disagreeing with others sending him into meltdown mode.  I started writing that I couldn't recall him directing a foul-mouthed tirade at a female poster and then I recalled his rant at Bridget where prostitution and hanging were mentioned.

It would be interesting to know something about his background to understand why he is the way he is.  I can't help thinking that Mike's perhaps a perfect example of why it might be a good idea to reintroduce national service. 

[adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9098.msg429193.html#msg429193

Mike recently suggested a man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre.

This would have been after Bamber returned the bike back to WHF about a day after taking it, & after Julie saw someone bang the kitchen window shut from outside.

[Holly Goodhead]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9098.msg429193.html#msg429193

Mike recently suggested a man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre.

This would have been after Bamber returned the bike back to WHF about a day after taking it, & after Julie saw someone bang the kitchen window shut from outside.

I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next.  I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man.  A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread.  Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.

[adam]

I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next.  I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man.  A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread.  Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.

Now that Mike, Nugs & David are working outside on the case, Bamber should steam through a successful CCRC submission & then 3rd appeal. Maybe this year.

We will then belatedly see the evidence, work & photo's which Bill, Mike, Roch, David, Nugs & JackieD have withheld from the forum. 

[Nicholas]

Bamber now claims,

‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc

as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...

https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043

[Nicholas]

Bamber now claims,

‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc

as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...

https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043

witnessed by Michelle Diskin’s Bates,

‘someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window seen carrying a firearm’

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html

[Nicholas]

I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next.  I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man.  A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread.  Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.

Bamber’s association with Mike Tesco is extremely telling and if you were to put Bamber’s narratives side by side from then to now you’d see he too has flitted ‘from one cranky theory to the next’

[Nicholas]

Bamber now claims,

‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc

as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...

https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043

Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522

Bamber writes (12th Dec 2014)


“It is never easy to figure out what it is that could be seen as the worst situation I’ve ever had to cope with. I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony, my brother in law Colin and the others at my house, whilst having to cope with my own grief over the death of my mum and dad, Sheila the boys Daniel and Nicholas couple with that with grief for letting my dad down in not being able to come to his rescue and confusion over what on earth could have gone so terribly wrong

The effect of that day has been life changing as I’ve been tasked with defending my mum and dads reputation. So many people who have made out that they were so close to my mum and dad and loved them so much have spent 30 years doing everything possible to denigrate my mum and dads characters, doing so to false create a motive for them having been murdered. I have had to put the record straight about what my mum and dad were really like. I am proud to be their son and proud to be setting records straight about what lovely people they were

As to what has stayed with me, a sense of guilt of about what if. That moment at 04.00am when PC Bews, PC Myall and myself watched the silhouette of someone walking in front of the master bedroom window, the main light in the bedroom was on, the curtains completely open - when PC Bews ran back to the police car with PC Myall and myself running after him, why didn’t we run up to the back door and not towards the police car could we have broken in and saved someone or everyone. Why was I so compliant in the presence of police officers so that I did whatever they wanted?

Why was I such a let down and such a weak character when faced with things that morning? It’s left me feeling ashamed  for letting my family down when they obviously needed me the most.

Though my life has been filled with trials and tribulations and no doubt there will be many more yet to come.

Have a great Christmas.

Jeremy

[Nicholas]

Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522

‘Crime writer’ Gayle Curtis states,

“But if we think someone is innocent, we see what we want to see, if we believe someone is guilty, we see what we want to see, and this is no basis for a safe conviction.”

She seems to believe all those who have studied the Bamber case have applied her dichotomous thinking.

Her dichotomous language betrays her.

She goes on to state,

“And after studying his letter, Curtis has now called for Bamber’s case to be re-examined and judged on evidential standards before a modern day court.

“Now, in 2020 I wonder how much we’ve learned as I read and hear theories that are based on supposition instead of fact.

No idea what she sees as “supposition instead of fact” as she omits this but her motivations to speak out publicly at this time appear clear.

‘Studying’ one letter and calling for the case to be ‘re-examined’ on this basis strikes me as rather naive and baseless.

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber’s association with Mike Tesco is extremely telling and if you were to put Bamber’s narratives side by side from then to now you’d see he too has flitted ‘from one cranky theory to the next’

I formed my opinions on the case by listening to the experts and those considered an expert at JB's trial. 

[Holly Goodhead]

‘Crime writer’ Gayle Curtis states,

“But if we think someone is innocent, we see what we want to see, if we believe someone is guilty, we see what we want to see, and this is no basis for a safe conviction.”

She seems to believe all those who have studied the Bamber case have applied her dichotomous thinking.

Her dichotomous language betrays her.

She goes on to state,

“And after studying his letter, Curtis has now called for Bamber’s case to be re-examined and judged on evidential standards before a modern day court.

According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug. 

I don't believe someone like JB could be incarcerated for so long and it not have a detrimental effect on his mental health.  I say someone like JB as he's no Nelson Mandela or Terry Waite who appear to have emerged unscathed.

[Nicholas]

According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug. 

Do you mean their witness statements?

Where were AP and JW on the 7th?

[Nicholas]

According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug. 

Why then do you think Bamber’s written,

’I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony,

Do you think he means something else?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you mean their witness statements?

Where were AP and JW on the 7th?

Testimony from everyone who was at WHF on 7th Aug, incl JB, along with testimony from AP and JW.

I don't know where they were on 7th Aug probably at their respective homes/places of work.