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Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« on: February 05, 2018, 10:14:13 AM »
I have posted this but... I wanted to start a new topic as posts get lost in threads... And I seriously wanted to question whether Dr Vincent Tabak's trial had already taken place in July 2011...

Christopher Jefferies witness statement to the Leveson..  I have normally used Christopher Jefferies second witness statement, and went looking for his first.. Can what it says be true or have they made an error...

Christopher Jefferies first witness statement was made in November 2011

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Mr Jay
We, of course, know about the horrific murder of Joanna Yeates which led to the conviction for murder of Vincent Tabak in July this year. Joanna Yeates disappeared, so we have our bearings, on 17 December of last year; is that right?

"July"?
Did they have a trial in July that we didn't know about??
Was the trial in October even more of a show trial than we know it was??
Was that the reason that the media could tweet so fast what had taken place??

CJ States in the Leveson"
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I was startled to hear the editor of the Scotsman, one of the papers sued by me for libel and himself a member of the PCC, describe his paper's coverage of my arrest as a mistake.

So I went to the Scotsman to see if I could see there apology..

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Yesterday The Scotsman and other newspapers apologised in court for having wrongly suggested that Mr Jefferies was involved in the killing of Joanna Yeates. We had also wrongly suggested that he had acted in an inappropriate, oversexualised manner with his pupils in the past and that he invaded he privacy of his tenants in his capacity as a landlord of two flats. We accepted in court that these allegations were untrue and that Mr Jefferies had no involvement in Ms Yeates' killing. In recognition of the distress caused, we have agreed to pay substantial damages to Mr Jefferies plus his legal costs.

The timing of CJ's suing of the media is important.. Mr Jay had stated that the trial was in "July" and Dr Vincent Tabak was convicted of "Murder"...

That statement must be true.... I will say, how on earth would CJ, be able to sue the papers if there hadn't already been a conviction in 'July" ?? Until there is a conviction there is no evidence to catergorically state that CJ is an Innocent man!! (No offence meant CJ..)
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Mr Jay
We know there was a statement in open court on 29 July of this year.

Mr Christopher Jefferies
Mm-hm.

Mr Jay
The newspapers admitted liability, gave the standard apologies on these occasions --

Now I cannot find the pdf of CJ's first witness statement and luckily the statement is available through the link at the bottom... But is the reason that CJ's statement is sealed for 84 years, because they actually held Dr Vincent Tabak's trial in "July 2011"?

It would make sense that a trial had already taken place...

The Scotsman could not state on the 1st August 2011 that CJ was an entirely Innocent man... As the trial we were told was to take place in October 2011..

The Police had believed there to be an accomplice, and until someone else was convicted of this crime, CJ could always potentially have been implicated...

In August 2011, Dr Vincent Tabak still hadn't said anything....  He didn't sign his enhanced statement until September 2011, nothing as far as I am aware stated how he had entered Flat 1.... It is not until the apparent trial in October 2011, that Dr Vincent Tabak gives his version of events...  And of course he apparently was invited in....

So... CJ still could have been seen as a suspect by the Police right up until October 2011 as he was the landlord with the keys to Joanna Yeates Flat and they had no idea how entry had occurred...!

The Police did not apologise until 2012 to CJ and cleared him at that time Officially...

I'm aware CJ could confidently feel he could take the papers to court, but he would need something concrete to establish that the hole fiasco in the newspapers was outrageous and he had proof that he was indeed an Innocent man...

After the apparent trial of Dr Vincent Tabak's it did not stop the media from totally vilifying him, with talk of Porn.. prostitutes and his interest in child porn...

So the media's attitude hadn't changed.

CJ wouldn't and couldn't take the media to court at the end of July 2011, without having Dr Vincent Tabak convicted..(imo) The papers would not bow down and just pay him any cost and then state that he was wholly Innocent... They would fight their corner and state that until a trial and conviction, he still could be a suspect..

Is this the reason that No-one wants to talk about Dr Vincent Tabak's trial and conviction?? Because they had already had a trial and convicted him??

Did the "Manslaughter Plea" stand??  Was Dr Vincent Tabak convicted of "Manslaughter" in July 2011 and The October 2011 trial was just for show??

CJ.. has to be confident that he can win his case hands down!! And The apologies to CJ start in court on the 29th July 2011...

Article dated 29th July 2011

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"Christopher Jefferies is the latest victim of the regular witch hunts and character assassination conducted by the worst elements of the British tabloid media.

Many of the stories published in these newspapers are designed to 'monster' the individual, in flagrant disregard for his reputation, privacy and rights to a fair trial.

These newspapers have now apologised to him and paid substantial damages."


I missed a trick... Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction had to be settled before CJ took the papers to court, he wouldn't have won and no apology would have been made.. He has to have everything in the bag to be able to stand up in court and say, that there is proof I did not have anything to do with the Murder of Joanna Yeates...!!


I am not surprised that No-one will talk of this case, I am not surprised that the media do not say anything... They probably all got a gaging order in July 2011.. It has been staring us in the face all this time.. CJ.... CJ who has tried time and time again to show us that the case against Dr Vincent Tabak is false... 
Not only does he sue the paper, he appears at the Leveson and then the documentary.. But we the public are not listening ...we the public are waiting on a selacious trial.. And we got one... With bells on it...

Now I understand why there were 20 written witness statement that were read out.. Why would you go to a trial if you have already been... That is why Tanja Morson was away on holiday... She didn't need to be there.... It wasn't real...(imo)... Every person whom you expected to take the stand didn't... 

* No DCI Phil Jones...
* No CJ...   
* No Tanja Morson
* No Peter Stanley
* No Good Character witness's
* No work Colleagues
* No tenant or resident of 44, Canyne Road
* No Firemen

 Nobody who should have been at the October trial was not there!! And that I believe is because the trial took place in July... But the papers cannot tell us, this is what happened.. But CJ does in his 'First Witness Statement at The Leveson"... No wonder that trial made no sense at all....

Talked about behind closed doors... Well I am not surprised in the least!!!!!

"Oh what a tangled web we weave.."  They got that right!


I would just like to add, and I am not being rude to CJ... But.... Why would the media apologies, pay him money and then a documentary is made about "The Lost Honour of CJ"???

At the end of the day.. CJ is simply a retired teacher, who owns a couple of properties, basically a nobody... Yet he manages to wield so much attention his way... Attention that he did not want apparently... I believe all the CJ reports from the Leveson and the documentary .. where to get us to sit up and take notice....

Well CJ... "I Have".... !!!



Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/apology-christopher-jefferies-1-1777461

http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-28-november-2011/mr-christopher-jefferies

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/jul/29/joanna-yeates-national-newspapers


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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in July 2011?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2018, 10:34:06 AM »
Now I understand why Sally Ramage could say exactly what she wanted in her paper about The trial of Dr Vincent Tabak in October 2011..

She could make as many errors/deliberate mistakes as she wanted, No-one would correct her...  If Dr Vincent Trial didn't really happen in October 2011 and that was a complete 'Show Trial".. That in itself tells us Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent....

He must be... They are not going to go that far... What has been covered up/hushed up to try and fool the public that the trial took place in October 2011??

It as it has been said to me before Extremely Serious! Using the Judicial system to completely fool the public.. And it sure did....

As I have said... No media outlet could state that CJ was an Innocent man, before someone else had been convicted, and indeed they did say this before the "October" show trial...

So.. now that I have come to this conclusion... will the media speak up??? Can you speak up??

It's time there was an Inquiry into the conviction of Dr Vincent Tabak... Never mind the Leveson... Time the British public and the world knew what has gone on... Something seriously needs to be done !!!!!



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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in July 2011?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2018, 10:45:39 AM »
Question:... Did Dr Vincent Tabak appear at The Old Bailey in "July 2011"  with his unique trial Number of: U20110387

Was this the trial that took place we were not party too??

There had to be a reason that Dr Vincent Tabak went to The Old Bailey in 'May 2011' in the first place and was given his unique trial number U20110387

So I put it to everyone, that Dr Vincent Tabak was convicted in July 2011 and  it was under the trial number of U20110387 and at The Old Bailey!!

Mr Clegg.... anything to say??



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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in July 2011?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2018, 11:21:20 AM »
So where do we go from here??

I have written so much trying to pull the Defence apart.... Never mind The Prosecution.... And The conclusions I have made over this time period have been a revelation to me...

I never understood why The Defence would bury their Client... Why images show lack of protocol and Nothing is said or done.. Why NO, cross examination of witness's really took place... Why all of The Hearsay Evidence was apparently allowed.. Why the letter of the law was not followed in court...

Why Judge Field said it was Sexually Motivated, when there was NO Proof of this at trial... Why daily for over a year I have found new anomalies, with evidence and trial statements...

I am convinced, that they convicted Dr Vincent Tabak in July... And maybe not what we think....

Leonora has always talked about a deal... And I believe that to be true... But was the deal struck in May 2011 and the finalities done in July 2011??

This has been quite a journey and I have felt frustrated on many many occasions... And I too must have frustrated others..

But..... There still has to be someone who has been protected, something has been covered-up, and I believe the press had no option but not speak about what deal had been made...

But that didn't stop the show trial taking place...

Now why is that?????



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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2018, 01:13:52 PM »
By the 6th of July 2011... Is possibly the date at which Dr Vincent tabak conviction had been settled...

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He was subsequently released without charge and was ‘entirely innocent,’ Mr Grieve told three judges, including Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge.

Miss Yeates’s next-door neighbour, Dutchman Vincent Tabak, a 33-year-old engineer, has admitted manslaughter but denied murder and is due to go on trial at Bristol Crown Court in October.

Making a statement like that in itself is prejudicial..  This is July 2011 we are talking... Dr Vincent Tabak could have withdrawn his guilty plea to Manslaughter and said it was made under duress.. He could have got evidence to prove that it wasn't him whom had killed Joanna Yeates.. The timeline suggest that is true....

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Mr Grieve said the articles published on December 31 and January 1 would have posed a ‘substantial risk of serious prejudice’ to any trial Mr Jefferies might have faced.

By that token the same should apply to Dr Vincent Tabak... Nothing should be published before The apparent trial in October that might prejudice a jury... Nothing stating he had pleaded guilty to Manslaughter for starters!! (imo)

So is Bernard finally out of the bag??




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011462/Sun-Daily-Mirror-contempt-court-Joanna-Yeates-murder-articles.html#ixzz56EqEkaT1


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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in July 2011?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 04:59:37 PM »
Question:... Did Dr Vincent Tabak appear at The Old Bailey in "July 2011"  with his unique trial Number of: U20110387

Was this the trial that took place we were not party too??

There had to be a reason that Dr Vincent Tabak went to The Old Bailey in 'May 2011' in the first place and was given his unique trial number U20110387

So I put it to everyone, that Dr Vincent Tabak was convicted in July 2011 and  it was under the trial number of U20110387 and at The Old Bailey!!

Mr Clegg.... anything to say??

I think the May hearing is for him to plead. If he had pleaded guilty to murder he wouldn't have gone to a full trial just sentencing. But as his plea to the lesser charge was not accepted the date of the trial was set.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/05/joanna-yeates-neighbour-admits-killing

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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in July 2011?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 06:47:10 PM »
I think the May hearing is for him to plead. If he had pleaded guilty to murder he wouldn't have gone to a full trial just sentencing. But as his plea to the lesser charge was not accepted the date of the trial was set.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/05/joanna-yeates-neighbour-admits-killing

I'm like Arggggggggggg and that is not at you Baz that is at myself.. I get frustrated, I am not very eloquent and want to scream and shout....

I cannot be mistaken, even if I do not know law....

Dr Vincent Tabak plead guilty to "Manslaughter"  apparently... Well he could have plead he was a martian for all the good it would do... His plea doesn't count... They did not accept that plea... When the apparent trial happened in October there was no 'Manslaughter " option... 

They cannot then use the fact that he plead "guilty to it.... I am sure they can't.....

I just want to  8)><(..  this is way out there.... I have no knowledge of the law... I do not know how I can change or do anything anymore....

Everyone knows that it;s a sham.... And no-one ever says anything....

DCI Phil Jones managed to get to the Old Bailey hearing..... why??
There had to be something being arranged at that time...  There is no way that The yeates family should have been present at the old bailey... i keep saying they could have easily been called as witness's like Greg...

Dr Vincent Tabak did NOT have to take the stand in October 2011... Clegg should have told him to sit down and zip it.... They had no evidence against Dr Vincent Tabak...

Did they make an arrangement with him in July 2011 and then go back on it????

I always have too many question??

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For his fourth court appearance, bespectacled Tabak wore a dark suit, shirt and tie. He appeared by video link from Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire. He confirmed his identity and replied "morning" when the judge, Mr Justice Field, greeted him. When asked if he was content to proceed without an interpreter, he said: "I'm OK."

He pleaded not guilty to the charge of murder, this time between 16 and 19 December. When the manslaughter charge between the same dates was put to him, he paused briefly before saying guilty in a firm voice.

Among the police officers in court was Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who led the murder hunt.

Greeted him... why is Judge field Greeting Dr Vincent Tabak??.... Did he wave also!!

Why is Dr Vincent Tabak even entering into a plea at The Old Bailey?? 

Ok... The Manslaughter charge is a different charge altogether... Why are they even putting it to him??

He has 2 different charges?? Why ??

The idea that he would be found guilty of Manslaughter should be decided at trial... By proving whether or not he had malice a for thought.. They have changed the dates of the charge also... So when did Joanna Yeates die?

Could he not prevent her death... And I do not mean he killed her... Did she work for him?? I'm trying to understand how he could be seen as guilty to Manslaughter....

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Nigel Lickley QC, prosecuting, asked for the trial to be moved to Winchester crown court because of the publicity in Bristol that had surrounded the case. The judge said he felt the trial could take place in Bristol and it is set to begin on 4 October and last four weeks.

Why is The Prosecution asking for it to be moved to Winchester... surely that should be The Defences role??

Then we have Geoffrey Morson making comment?

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Afterwards, Geoffrey Morson, a retired legal professional and the father of Tabak's girlfriend, Tanja Morson, described Yeates' death as tragic. Speaking from his home in Cambridge, Morson said he had no knowledge of whether his daughter and Tabak were still in a relationship.
He goes on to say:
 
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He said: "This is a tragic case for everyone, especially the Yeates family and for us and the Tabak family and anyone who knew those involved. It is in the hands of the British judicial system now.

Yes I agree is is tragic.... What did they do.??? Why will no-one say anything...  argggggg

So who are Those who were involved??

The charge of Murdering who?? It doesn't say that it was Joanna Yeates... Guilty of The Manslaughter of WHO??? It doesn't say that it was Joanna Yeates... We are assuming again because we  believe he was charged with her Murder.... But where does it say that he killed Joanna Yeates??? It doesn't !!!! 

Plea and Trial Preparation Hearing
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10. If there is a not guilty plea then a trial date will be set and the issues for trial will be determined. The judge will set a timetable for necessary pre-trial preparation.

"Apparently he plead guilty!!!!!!

Did more than one person die?? Was the manslaughter plea about someone or something else entirely??

They set the trial date and the press were obviously notified.. But they cannot have had time to notify the witness's

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12. When the trial date is fixed, you should inform the witnesses. You should also notify the Press Office.

13. The Crown Court will normally send a notice of fixture, which you should forward to your legal adviser immediately.

Also.....
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1. You should always be in a position at the PTPH to provide the court with the witnesses’ dates to avoid. You must also be prepared to raise any difficulties you have in complying with the prosecution’s disclosure obligations under the Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996 and be ready to put forward a reasonable timetable for resolving those difficulties3.

Well they hadn't interviewed any witness's for Dr Vincent Tabak.. he hadn't said anything... How could they set a trial date and inform the press before any witness's??   

I am going round in circles...

He could have pleaded guilty to Manslaughter for Instance if he had supplied Joanna Yeates with Drugs!!
He didn't have to be there to witness or be the person who strangled her....


I need to come back to the difference in manslaughter....

http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/enforcementguide/court/crown-court.htm
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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 07:21:07 PM »
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Alternative Counts
In cases where the defendant faces a charge of murder, the prosecution should decide in advance of a trial whether or not an alternative count of manslaughter should be added to the indictment.  Prosecutors should take the following approach:

The option of pleading "Guilty To Manslaughter" at the May 2011 Plea and management Case Hearing, discloses the defendants intent... And when asked if he was pleading guilty to Manslaughter at Crown Court... Dr Vincent Tabak said YES!!

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CPD I G a ener l matters 3A: CASE MANAGEMENT 
3A.1  CrimPR 1.1(2)(e) requires  that cases be dealt with efficiently and
expodiciously.    CrimPR  3.2  requires  the  court to  further  he
rr ing objective by actively managing the case, for example: 
a) When  dealing  with  an  offence  which  is  triable  only  on
indictment the court must ask the defendant whether he or
she  intends  to  plead  guilty  at  the  Crown  Court  (CrimPR
9.7(5));   
b) On a guilty plea, the court must pass sentence at the earliest
opportunity,  in  accordance  with  CrimPR  24.11(9)(a)
(magistrates’ courts) and 25.16(7)(a) (the Crown Court). 

That is it....... What Dr Vincent Tabak was saying was that he "INTENDED" to Plead Guilty to "Manslaughter at "The Crown Court" And Not that he plead guilty to The Manslaughter of Joanna Yeates "..

But when we come to the trial in October 2011... The option of Pleading Guilty to "Manslaughter" isn't there!!!  Stitched up like a kipper!!


When  dealing  with  an  offence  which  is  triable  only  on
indictment the court must ask the defendant whether he or
she  intends  to  plead  guilty  at  the  Crown  Court


And Dr Vincent Tabak's response was 'Guilty of Manslaughter"!!!

He never pleaded 'Guilty to The Manslaughter of Joanna Yeates... That much is true... Someones been twisting the truth and the law!!

The media left out the important pieces of Information.... They just wrote he plead guilty to "Manslaughter"... When in actual fact (imo) he didn't!!

Can this get anymore shocking???

Human rights violations left right and centre....

Ann Reddrop insisted that it was Murder and always had been Murder... So when Dr Vincent Tabak says, he is going to plead 'Guilty to Manslaughter"... They take that option away....

The evidence that Joanna Yeates had been strangled and had various injuries on her body, the planning to dispose of the body was apparent as she couldn't have been on Longwood lane all that time....

Is that why Dr Vincent Tabak says sorry to the Yeates family... Because the Prosecution and The Judge and The Defence had taken out of Dr Vincent Tabak's hands the option to plead "guilty" to Manslaughter... Even though they all knew his Intent!! And The Yeates could see that This Intention had backfired...

Yes... they were all correct when they said that it was ALL ABOUT INTENT.... It was about Dr Vincent Tabak's Intent to plead "Guilty" to "Manslaughter" at his trial in October 2011... And they stopped that from happening!!!!

I think the Intelligent Dutchman tried to play them at their own game .... And lost!!!

I believe That The Option of Manslaughter would Never be there.... Dr Vincent Tabak just told them of his Intensions... !


https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/better-case-management-information-pack-3.pdf

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homicide-murder-and-manslaughter
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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2018, 04:33:32 PM »
I think it's probably safe to say that neither of us have a strong enough understanding of how the legal system works to really understand all this stuff. I don't think that picking selective bits from any random legal document you can find and spinning an absurd new theory that is complete speculation is very helpful.

No matter how many times you try there is no evidence that there was a secret trial. The idea that the media all agreed to take part in some absurd cover up is pretty delusional.

Between somehow linking the crime to Sleeping Beauty and now you're diagnosing the victim with diabetes... it's all starting to sound a bit nuts.

I wonder what it would take to convince you of his guilt? As his confession and detailed testimony given in court of how he did were not enough... what would it take?

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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 07:19:09 PM »
I think it's probably safe to say that neither of us have a strong enough understanding of how the legal system works to really understand all this stuff. I don't think that picking selective bits from any random legal document you can find and spinning an absurd new theory that is complete speculation is very helpful.

No matter how many times you try there is no evidence that there was a secret trial. The idea that the media all agreed to take part in some absurd cover up is pretty delusional.

Between somehow linking the crime to Sleeping Beauty and now you're diagnosing the victim with diabetes... it's all starting to sound a bit nuts.

I wonder what it would take to convince you of his guilt? As his confession and detailed testimony given in court of how he did were not enough... what would it take?

Ok Baz..
I'm delusional, I'm Nuts, I'm what ever you think I am...

I know I'm tired... I know I'm horrified... I know that on my own I cannot do anything about this... I started looking at this because I felt and do feel Dr Vincent Tabak is Innocent...

And whether you agree or not doesn't matter.. Virtually everyone is happy he's in prison... That's fine...
I know I tried to do what I could... I have no law knowledge as you have pointed out ...But I had hoped that maybe on this site there may have been people who had law knowledge and could help... But that's not happening...

Maybe.. People have misunderstood , why i have gone in different directions... And maybe I should have stopped long ago...

End of the day.... This case is dodgy... And that there is no doubt... But everyone can keep smiling whilst they cover up for who ever they are covering up for...

Our Justice system has been shot to shit for years.... And if no-one is prepared to question it.. then it will only get worse,..

I'm obviously out of my depth... I cannot change anything... even though I believed I could...

System always wins... 

 



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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 10:23:09 AM »
Ok Baz..
I'm delusional, I'm Nuts, I'm what ever you think I am...

I said the idea was delusional because it would take a massive number of people who have no reason to agree to work together and tell the same lies. I didn't call you delusional.

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And whether you agree or not doesn't matter.. Virtually everyone is happy he's in prison... That's fine...
I know I tried to do what I could... I have no law knowledge as you have pointed out ...But I had hoped that maybe on this site there may have been people who had law knowledge and could help... But that's not happening...

Perhaps you could try approaching someone who does have the legal expertise to answer your questions rather than hoping that they will happen upon your questions here? Maybe through social media or something?

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End of the day.... This case is dodgy... And that there is no doubt... But everyone can keep smiling whilst they cover up for who ever they are covering up for...


There is absolutely doubt that this case is dodgy. For starters I have never seen any believable reason that the police and courts would work together in a conspiracy to convict Tabak. Or why he has never fought his own corner if he is innocent.


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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 12:00:22 AM »
This quote is from The Law Pages website....

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Country                          : England and Wales

Date                               : 28-10 -2011

Judge                             : Mr Justice Field

Case Number                  : T20117031

Defendant Name             : Vincent Tabak

Defendant  Age               : 33  Years

Bail Position                    : In Custody


Offence                          : Murder

Sentence                        : Custodial immediate

Length                           : 20 Years Life



Public Protection            : Minimum to serve 20 years
Sentence

Total Sentence              : 20 Years

Parole Eligibility             : 23/10/2031
Date (PED)


Distinguishing features/facts : He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was found guilty pf murder (10:2 majority
                                            verdict) after he strangled his 25 year old female victim in her flat in Clifton, on 17th
                                            December 2010. His victims body was discovered by dog walkers on Christmas day.
                                            He had strangled his victim holding her neck with one hand and smothering
                                            her with his other hand. The Prosecution's Case was that he had an intention to kill or
                                            cause serious bodily harm and that the attack had been planned,
premeditated and
                                            sexually motivated.His victim suffered 43 injuries and expert witnesses were called to
                                            clarify what the medical evidence suggested. During the investigation he told
                                            investigators that his Landlords (volvo) vehicle had moved during the night of
                                            the murder and police arrested the man who was later released without charge.

                                           Following the verdict the jury heard how he had viewed violent pornography on the
                                           web. The judge agreed with the defence council that disclosure of his internet use
                                           following his victims death was not proof that the crime was premeditated. Videos and
                                           pictures found on his laptop and work computer depicted a man holding a woman's
                                           neck during sex and images of women tied up in the boot of vehicles.


           
                                          The judge said " I think there was a sexual element to this killing...In my view you are
                                          very dangerous. In my opinion you are thoroughly deceitful, dishonest and
                                          manipulative".


Sentenced                    : After Trial

Defence team

Solicitors Firm              : Kelcey & Hall

Chambers                    : 2 Bedford Row

Barrister                      : William Clegg QC                           

Expert Witness             : Dr Nathanial Roger Blair Cary




Prosecution Team

Solicitor                      : Ann Elisabeth Reddrop

Chambers                   : 3PB Barristers (3 Paper Buildings)

Barrister                     : Nigel James Domonic Lickley QC

Expert Witness            : LGC Forensics

Prosecuting Authority   : CPS South West (CPS Bristol)



I have areas initially that I have done in bold... And other areas to question.

(1): Smothering... Since when was smothering the cause of Joanna Yeates death? I thought the prosecution had
                           always insisted that Dr Vincent Tabak had strangled Joanna Yeates with 2 hands... And as DCI
                           Jones had said.. "he squeezed and squeezed.

(2):Medical Evidence
      Suggests....... Suggesting isn't evidence, Evidence supports events, not the suggestion of what may or may not
                           have taken place.

(3):Landlord: ....  Who actually was Dr Vincent Tabak's landlord?

(4): Volvo.........   Who owned the Volvo that was parked on the drive??  There were 2 silver cars removed on the
                           same day on Canygne Road one was a Chrysler and one was a Volvo,which car did CJ own??

(5): Landlord/car..  Is the owner of the Volvo Dr Vincent Tabak's landlord? Is that a totally different person to CJ?

(6): Prosecution :   Where is Dr Delaney, he is not mentioned in the Prosecution?? LGC Forensics didn't perform the
      Experts            autopsy.. They talked only of DNA etc...  I have a question now... I believe that Dr Delaney has
                             his own business ( Dr RJ Delaney LTD)does he also do work for LGC Forensic?? Maybe there's
                             another reason he is not listed as Prosecution expert.. Seems odd to me... But I am not expert.

(7): Eligible Parole: 23/11/2031  why is it a week before the end of his sentencing date?
       Date

(8): Law Pages     : Who writes the information for The Law Pages? I have added the image that is on the law Pages
                             website of William Clegg QC's Chambers, his is the only logo on there.. Bit of free advertising
                             there.. Or did the information come from 2 Bedford Row? Did they do the write up??

(9): The Jury       : Why were the jury told about the porn when it had not been introduced into evidence? There
                            was no proof that this porn or any images that were not used at trial were from Dr Vincent
                            Tabak's computer... So How could they tell the Jury??

(10):                  : An Intention to Kill or Cause Serious Bodily Harm, planned...  Now he either intended to kill, Or
                            he intended to cause serious bodily harm, you can't have both, one voids the other. The
                            Prosecution are telling us two stories, They apparently always believed that Dr Vincent Tabak
                            had intended to kill Joanna Yeates.. If they are now bringing an alternative into the mix
                            themselves, they have created reasonable doubt and therefore it cannot have been a planned
                            "Murder".. And as far as I can tell "Murder" should have been the only reason The Prosecution
                            had! They can't have two alternatives... As there was no evidence to support the idea of planning
                            as the apparent evidence Dr Vincent Tabak gave on the stand.Claims it was on the spur of the
                            moment. Where was the proof of planning..
                            If Dr Vincent Tabak had intended to cause serious bodily harm, then the fact that Joanna Yeates
                            died as a result would intimate 'Manslaughter and NOT Murder.. So why didn't they give the jury
                            the option of 'Manslaughter?


One more thing I did notice, 23/10/2031... Dr Vincent Tabak should have had the time he had already spent in prison deducted off his sentence..
24/1/2011 Was when we are told he was charged.. We have the date of the 23rd?? If we knock the 10 months off that he had already spent in prison awaiting trial, then we come to a date of 23/01/2031...

Now Dr Vincent Tabak did go to court some years later, for apparent child porn images.. And was given a 10 month sentence to be be started from the day it was given, March 2015.
What is so important about 10 months, and why hasn't it been deducted from his sentence??


I know nothing about Law... But I sure no they cannot use material that wasn't evidence.. If he had been convicted before in relation to porn material.. maybe.. But not as a way of justifying Judge Field's sentence based on a sexually motivated murder when there had been No evidence to support this...

Why is everyone ignoring these flagrant breaches of law that have surrounded this case from the start!




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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 10:28:30 AM »

Notable Cases

As one of the leading firms of Solicitors in Bristol and the South West, over the years Kelcey & Hall has been involved in defending in some of the highest profile cases in the country.
These include:


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Joanna Yeates murder
R v Vincent Tabak

This case attracted much publicity arising out of the death of Joanna Yeates in Clifton in Bristol over the Christmas period of 2010.  Joanna Yeates had disappeared from her flat in Clifton on the 17th December 2010 and her body was subsequently found on Christmas Day of that year within the Failand area of Bristol. Mr Tabak was subsequently arrested and tried for her murder, he being an occupant of another flat within the same building. Mr Tabak admitted being responsible for the death of Joanna Yeates but denied murder on the grounds that he had not intended that she should die. Mr Tabak was represented by Mr William Clegg QC of 2 Bedford Row, London and Mr Dean Armstrong, also of 2 Bedford Row. Mr Tabak was found guilty of the murder of Joanna Yeates.


So Dr Vincent Tabak was an Occupant of another Flat within the same building.... Not next door then??  Not where apparently he had easy access to carry a body into his flat with no-one noticing???

(1): Was his Flat in the main building of the house??

(2): Was his Flat on the first floor??

(3): Was his Flat up a flight of stairs in the house ??

(4): Where exactly in 44, Canygne Road Mr Kelcey was Dr Vincent Tabaks Flat ??


Mr Kelcey can I ask why you didn't argue the point about the "hearsay" evidence?/ The 17 witness statements that were read out at trial, but no-one appearing to substantiate their claims..

You had successfully had a case thrown out prior to Dr Vincent Tabak's Case because of anonymous hearsay and were successful on that occasion..

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Bristol Nightclub shooting
R v MR and others

A celebrated case that subsequently went to the full Court of Appeal with five Lord Justices of Appeal presided over by the Lord Chief Justice. The prosecution sought to rely upon anonymous hearsay to support an allegation that MR along with others had been responsible for shooting to death a man called Dean Myiles in a busy Bristol nightclub in 2006. The Court found that the anonymous hearsay was not admissible evidence. This finding was subsequently upheld by the Court of Appeal and all defendants were acquitted of the murder of Mr Myiles in 2008.

Mr Kelcey.. what was so different about Dr Vincent Tabak, that he was not defended to the best of everyones ability?? And The Hearsay was allowed... not only that, but you allowed your client to commit suicide by having him on the stand...

No comment from Dr Vincent Tabak... No trial!! No evidence!!

One last thing Mr Kelcey... The highly publicised case that was "The Trial Of Dr Vincent Tabak" must be one of your most memorable and proudest moments..

Would you like to comment??



http://www.kelceyandhall.co.uk/notable-cases.html

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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 12:28:46 PM »


What was the final Bill for this very Public trial... What did it cost the tax payer for Dr Vincent Tabak's Defence??

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He also had a defence team of between four and six led by a highly paid partner in the Somerset law firm Kelcey and Hall Solicitors, whose legal bill is yet to be settled.

Legal aid authorities confirmed yesterday that they had received a bill from Kelcey and Hall for work for Tabak’s trial.

Although the bill had not been settled, one legal source said: ‘You are looking at an enormous bill. It will be a considerable sum of money.’


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100235/Jo-Yeates-murder-Her-parents-hit-killer-Vincent-Tabaks-legal-aid-cost-taxpayers-hundreds-thousands.html#ixzz56WEyovJN
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Re: Did Dr Vincent Tabak's Conviction happen in May/July 2011?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 12:42:34 PM »
Looks like I have found something... Don't know if it is correct..

Taxpayers fork out £250,000 in Vincent Tabak case
THE killer of Joanna Yeates received more than £252,000 in ­taxpayers’ cash for his bid to escape justice.



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The total bill came to £252,426.77.

But it was all in vain as Tabak was found guilty of murdering Joanna, 25, in her Bristol flat in December 2010 before disposing of her body on a roadside.
He was jailed for life and afterwards it emerged he was obsessed with violent porn, ­including sexual strangulation.

After we revealed Tabak’s bid for taxpayers’ cash in February, ­Joanna’s dad David Yeates, 64, said he was “outraged”, adding: “He ­prolonged the case by lying to the police and lying during his trial.”

Last night, on being told the amount of money paid out, Mr Yeates, of Ampfield, Hants, said he was pleased Tabak cannot now ­argue he was not given a fair trial.

Now the amount of money spent does not mean he had a fair trial....  I wouldn't mind a complete break down of said money..!

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Mr Yeates said: “I find it obscene that wealthy people who are worth billions of pounds are allowed to claim legal aid, although I don’t think he had that much money.

Why did Mr Yeates believe that Dr Vincent Tabak was rich?? Did Dr Vincent Tabak invent something? Did he have a patent??

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It reveals Tabak, who ­strangled Joanna for sex kicks ­before hiding her body, first used Somerset-based Crossmans Solicitors.

They received just over £6,345 for helping him when he was arrested and for initial court work.

Didn't they do much work ??

What did The Defence do for this £252,000 of taxpayers money ??

There was no investigation by them as far as I can tell...   They didn't even spot that the kitchen window sill had been painted after Joanna Yeates death...

So what is worth £252,000 of taxpayers money??



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/263358/Taxpayers-fork-out-250-000-in-Vincent-Tabak-case
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