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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2018, 09:12:55 AM »
Do you think the OG professionals spoke to the Smiths again before publishing the e-fits?

I would not know the value and how would a professional know what their value was?  They could be from one extreme to the other.  We are all allowed our opinions, but my opinion of the Smith e-fits has just changed tonight as I have sent 2 matches of the Smith e-fits to OG.  We tend to think they represent one person but we don't know as we were not there, but if I'm right the two images are of two different but possibly related people.

He said he has met with Scotland Yard detectives twice over the past 18 months to help them with the new probe.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

Police have issued two efits that they believe are descriptions of the same man
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/14/british-detectives-efits-madeleine-mccann-suspect

I think the Met confirmed the e-fits were of the same man in an F.O.I. request, but I haven't found that as yet.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2018, 09:23:19 AM »
We don't actually know who they are supposed to be.  But neither of them look like Gerry.  In my opinion.

However, Cristovao  is another matter.
We had looked Cristavao before and he definitely looks like one of them too.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2018, 09:27:24 AM »
We had looked Cristavao before and he definitely looks like one of them too.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2018, 09:43:05 AM »
This is a Fact, Rob.
I didn't realise before but their complexion does look quite at odds.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #124 on: February 19, 2018, 09:46:47 AM »
I didn't realise before but their complexion does look quite at odds.

Lighting.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2018, 09:54:58 AM »
Lighting.
Yes in that photo he was in a shadow with light on the wall behind him. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2018, 09:55:41 AM »
We had looked Cristavao before and he definitely looks like one of them too.

It's not just the facial features though, is it?

He had an average build, a bit on the thin side.

 Average build, in good shape.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Cristavao seems quite bulky to me.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2018, 10:09:02 AM »
It's not just the facial features though, is it?

He had an average build, a bit on the thin side.

 Average build, in good shape.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Cristavao seems quite bulky to me.
When I put these two photos side by side the shapes of the head looks too different.  Maybe they have been distorted in copying process. 
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2018, 11:13:09 AM »
This is a Fact, Rob.

Pretty sure it is an opinion.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2018, 11:24:54 AM »
Pretty sure it is an opinion.

One of the e-fits looks like Cristovao.  That is a fact.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #130 on: February 19, 2018, 11:28:43 AM »
One of the e-fits looks like Cristovao.  That is a fact.

Nope.  That's an opinion.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #131 on: February 19, 2018, 11:32:15 AM »
I'm sorry if I 'put words into your mouth'. If you choose to answer my question below using your own words that will clarify the matter.

You chose to post your opinion of the Smith e-fits.

Your opinion doesn't appear to be shared by OG or, as far as I know, the PJ.

You appear to believe that they are the expert professionals who probably know a lot more than you do.

Do you think they got it wrong by publicising e-fits which, in your words, 'are not worth the paper they are printed on'? (post 32)


In my opinion the debate has moved way beyond your invitation to me regarding your questioning: for example did you miss Shining and Misty's excellent posts on the matter, one of which illustrates that more efits than the one I described as "not worth etc ... ..." were shown by DCI Redwood on Crimewatch which was broadcast way back at the reopening of Madeleine's case when all the bases neglected or otherwise were being checked out?

Based on the fact that no-one other than the police who are privy to all available information in Madeleine's case, has the slightest inkling of what prompted the information imparted during the programme including various efits.
Without being privy to what was going on at the heart of the investigation criticism of what was imparted and why would in my opinion be plain silly.
Made doubly so that as well as ignorance of what the police knew, what they wanted to know and the reasons behind their mode of procedure to get it, taken in conjunction with the lack of knowledge of what the result of their information seeking exercise was ... apart from information about more assaults on the children of holidaymakers than had been known about ... makes ill informed conjecture futile.

Not to mention the sick campaign encouraging time wasters to phone in to a programme broadcast with the intention of gathering information to help a missing child, to name the child's father as the man in the Smith efits.

So given that we are privy to little of the information gleaned from the Crimewatch programme ... the Smith efits could have relevance and could have been worth pursuing or they may indeed have been found "not worth etc ... "

Who knows?  Maybe time will tell and in my opinion there is an excellent chance of that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #132 on: February 19, 2018, 11:41:38 AM »
One of the e-fits looks like Cristovao.  That is a fact.

No it looks like Gerry. That is a fact.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2018, 11:45:01 AM »
No it looks like Gerry. That is a fact.

Gerry has an alibi.  Does Cristovao?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #134 on: February 19, 2018, 11:54:34 AM »
No it looks like Gerry. That is a fact.
Probably looks like a lot of people... That's a fact too
It's also a fact that he drew up the e fit after, seeing Gerry's face on tv... It's also a fact that he didn't get a good look at the suspects face... It's also a fact that both investigations have stated Gerry is not a, suspect