The Smithman e-fits

[Angelo222]

The biggest mystery is why it took them 2 weeks before they reported it.  I would suggest that could happen if there was some connection.

Wasn't it the walking down the aircraft steps moment which spurred Martin Smith into action.

[Robittybob1]

Wasn't it the walking down the aircraft steps moment which spurred Martin Smith into action.

Well I looked at that aspect too and there was an even longer delay there.

We know when Gerry returned to England - 9th Sept 2007
When did Martin Smith see this event?  When did Martin Smith report his suspicion?

From:  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

"I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007."   So unless I too have comprehension issues I take that to mean Martin Smith was watching the BBC 10 PM news on the 9th Sept.

Now from the fax itself

  it is dated the 19th February 2008 so that does not seem like an immediate response either.

There was an earlier fax from the Irish police  on the 30th Jan 2008.
 

[Robittybob1]

seems to have double up. 

Look what does Martin say?:  Think I have the above wrong "Email from John Hughes to DIC Portimao, C.C. to Stuart Prior


20th September 2007

Subject: Fwd Smith family


From Lindsay Long to John Hughes

20th September 2007

Re – Smith family
Re – Smith family

Location : Portugal Out of Force Area

Origin: Mr Martin Smith Ireland.

Text: Reported that he had passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th May and returned to UK. Is saying that after seeing the McCanns on the news on 9th Sept when they returned to UK he has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 PM on BBC and saw the McCanns getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night Maddie went missing . He also watched ITV news and Sky news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children.

Is asking a member of OP task ring him back. He was with group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite worried and shaken whilst speaking to me



"He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me."

What Martin Smith hadn't slept for two weeks!  That sounds a bit dramatic.

[Mr Gray]

I think that's twice Davel and I have agreed on this thread. It's surely a record. 

Perhaps it's a sign that neither of us is as biased as some would think and are open to reasoned argument ...very positive

[G-Unit]

Perhaps it's a sign that neither of us is as biased as some would think and are open to reasoned argument ...very positive

I think we just mostly know the difference between facts and opinions.

[Mr Gray]

I think we just mostly know the difference between facts and opinions.

It's good that some if us do... And it's a pretty sorry state that some dont

[Alice Purjorick]

Uh huh ... so Scotland Yard has a huge very expensive state of the art thingy ... no one capable of entering data ?? ... no one capable of retrieving and collating the data when it spews out ?? that no one had the skill to enter in the first instance ... and no one expert enough to work out what the machine is on about when it does.
Hmmm ... know what, Alice, that all seems highly unlikely to me.

Did I say any of that?
I rather think not.
You my dear are putting words in my mouth which to paraphrase you "will not be tolerated under any circumstances" and all that good Lizzie Mod stuff.

[Alice Purjorick]

One of the efits bears more that a passing resemblance to the actor David Ellison 

[Mr Gray]

One of the efits bears more that a passing resemblance to the actor David Ellison 

Does he have an alibi

[Robittybob1]

It's good that some if us do... And it's a pretty sorry state that some dont

That is good to know so you shouldn't have any more trouble adding IMO when it is opinion then!

[Alice Purjorick]

Does he have an alibi

Dunno, likely he was in Beer, but he died in 2010.

[sadie]

When I put these two photos side by side the shapes of the head looks too different.  Maybe they have been distorted in copying process.

Imo, Smithmans image (RH Image) has been foreshortened, probably because he was holding his head down.  This would make his face look wider.

I am sorry but I cannot copy your image.    If readers cannot access the images it makes a nonsense of all my observations.

Please could someone tell me how to post these small images that open up to large images  TY.    I think information such as this should be in a seperate section so that it can be utilized as necessary by everyone.   

Please could a section for operating information be opened    Thank you.

[Robittybob1]

when you do a post click on the link below "+ Attachments and other options  and then select
choose file and select a photo from you own computer, open it and then post it.

[sadie]

Nope.  That's an opinion.

No, you are wrong spammie.   One of Cristovaos photos looks very much like the RH Smithman photo.  That is a fact

However it is not a fact, despite this likeness, that Cristovao is actually Smithman. 

Eleanor never said that Cristovao was Smithman.  Just that he was like Smithman, which is fact.

[sadie]

It is mysterious how they were able to draw the faces in the first place.  Martin knew for certain it wasn't Robert Murat so that gives us a clue that IMO he was concerned it was someone he knew.  So even though he knew it wasn't RM even without seeing the face, he might have been able to draw a likeness to the person he thought he saw.
Like if the E-fit operator asked Martin Smith to draw Robert Murat would he have been able?
If the E-fit operator asked Martin to draw Gerry McCann would he have been able?
So I don't see why it isn't possible to draw an image of a person they knew, purely from memory, but not necessarily the person they saw.

Difficult to do, but when I had to identify a man who had robbed me, I was shown hundreds of photos (previous robbers and criminals) and it suddenly became easy to recognise him with above 99% certainty.

I notice that the third man that Rob has posted alongside the Smithman e-fits has almost identical ears to the LH Smithman e-fit.  I wonder if Metodo already had the third mans photo on file.  That they were wondering about him and they used bits from this photo to fill in bits (the ears) that The Smiths were not sure of ?