The Smithman e-fits

[Robittybob1]

It was more significant than that. They made the Tanner sighting and the Gerry/Jes meeting irrelevant, along with all those moving doors and discussions about the level of light in the bedroom.

IMO.
All that still aligns with my current theory so I'm not concerned by those changes.

[G-Unit]

IMO.
All that still aligns with my current theory so I'm not concerned by those changes.

I don't have a theory because I don't think there's enough evidence on which to build one. For six years people assumed that Madeleine was carried off between 9 and 9.30 although all that was based on was a pair of legs. Another sighting which described a child very similar to Madeleine was ignored;

the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.

She has seen photographs of Madeleine McCann and thinks that it could have been her. Asked, she said she was 60% certain.....the child was female because she had straight long hair to the neck. The colour was fair/light brown. She is certain that the child was about four years old because her niece (who was in the group) is of the same age and they were the same size.

He states the child was female. She was perhaps two or three years old, in that she appeared to him to be a bit smaller than his niece of the same age. She was a child of normal build. She had blonde hair, of medium shade, not very light. Her skin was white, typically British. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep, having closed eyelids.....Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child that was carried by the individual may have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, an opinion shared by his family
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So a pair of legs and a man with no face get world-wide publicity and three quite detailed descriptions of a child of the right age with the right hair colour and length get none. It's interesting that one of the Smiths thought she was a bit small, which the McCanns confirmed; Madeleine was small for her age.

[Brietta]

It was more significant than that. They made the Tanner sighting and the Gerry/Jes meeting irrelevant, along with all those moving doors and discussions about the level of light in the bedroom.

In my opinion the Gerry and Jes meeting was always an irrelevance useful only for a type of internet fora banter; the essential and important observation was the man and the child that Jane witnessed at the top of the road.

Which in my opinion ... in conjunction of the moving doors and the light in the bedroom ... unknown about at the time ... and which only became apparent when all the relevant statements had been made ... are an indication of the pigs ear made by the original investigation.

How many 'innocent dads' with children in their arms walked past Jane Tanner on that night?  Goncalo Amaral proved himself incapable of finding the one Operation Grange traced with ease somewhere down the line of wasted years.

Instead someone somewhere from within the investigation - in my opinion - was far too busy to do the job in hand of finding a missing little girl, preferring instead to poison the media with tales of "A BADLY TOLD STORY"

Irrespective of the mishandling of Jane Tanner's evidence at the time ... Operation Grange proved she saw someone carrying a child ... we are told they traced him and identified him.

Can you fail to see the tragedy of that as far as Madeleine is concerned?

I think it is well worth reading the transcript of the programme mind you ... before putting all the eggs into the Smithman basket.

[Brietta]

I don't have a theory because I don't think there's enough evidence on which to build one. For six years people assumed that Madeleine was carried off between 9 and 9.30 although all that was based on was a pair of legs. Another sighting which described a child very similar to Madeleine was ignored;

the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.

She has seen photographs of Madeleine McCann and thinks that it could have been her. Asked, she said she was 60% certain.....the child was female because she had straight long hair to the neck. The colour was fair/light brown. She is certain that the child was about four years old because her niece (who was in the group) is of the same age and they were the same size.

He states the child was female. She was perhaps two or three years old, in that she appeared to him to be a bit smaller than his niece of the same age. She was a child of normal build. She had blonde hair, of medium shade, not very light. Her skin was white, typically British. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep, having closed eyelids.....Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child that was carried by the individual may have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, an opinion shared by his family
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So a pair of legs and a man with no face get world-wide publicity and three quite detailed descriptions of a child of the right age with the right hair colour and length get none. It's interesting that one of the Smiths thought she was a bit small, which the McCanns confirmed; Madeleine was small for her age.

Jane Tanner reported her sighting immediately the police arrived on the scene of Madeleine's disappearance ... still in my opinion when timeous recovery might still have been effected.

The Smith sighting was not reported to the police for a fortnight after the event.

Take from that what you will.

[G-Unit]

Jane Tanner reported her sighting immediately the police arrived on the scene of Madeleine's disappearance ... still in my opinion when timeous recovery might still have been effected.

The Smith sighting was not reported to the police for a fortnight after the event.

Take from that what you will.

Speed or quality? A pair of legs or a whole child? One witness or at least three? OG made their choice, anyone else's is irrelevant.

[Mr Gray]

Speed or quality? A pair of legs or a whole child? One witness or at least three? OG made their choice, anyone else's is irrelevant.

Like you I believe OG are the professionals and support them in what they are doing...we agree again
They have looked, at all the evidence against the mccanns
And stated they are not suspects

[Eleanor]

The problem for me has long been that we all know much more about the original disappearance and Praia de Luz than Operation Grange did at the start.

CrecheMan was purported to be walking in the wrong direction if he had been coming from The Creche, so I do not believe that he was the man that Jane Tanner saw.

Perhaps if Andy Redwood had known as much as we do then he would have realised that.  Unless he had some other reason, which for the moment defeats me.

[G-Unit]

Like you I believe OG are the professionals and support them in what they are doing...we agree again
They have looked, at all the evidence against the mccanns
And stated they are not suspects

I don't have a firm opinion on Operation Grange. The Metropolitan Police make mistakes and get things wrong just like any other police force.

Others, however, have repeatedly praised them and shown great faith in their expertise and professionalism. When it comes to the Smithman e-fits, however, there's a noticeable lack of enthusiasm.

My posts are more to do with highlighting that apparent lack of faith in Operation Grange's judgement than in conveying my own opinion.

Just imagine! If OG are wrong about the e-fits they could be wrong about a lot more too. Did Redwood deliberately allow himself to look ignorant of the layout of the resort on purpose?

[Mr Gray]

I don't have a firm opinion on Operation Grange. The Metropolitan Police make mistakes and get things wrong just like any other police force.

Others, however, have repeatedly praised them and shown great faith in their expertise and professionalism. When it comes to the Smithman e-fits, however, there's a noticeable lack of enthusiasm.

My posts are more to do with highlighting that apparent lack of faith in Operation Grange's judgement than in conveying my own opinion.

Just imagine! If OG are wrong about the e-fits they could be wrong about a lot more too. Did Redwood deliberately allow himself to look ignorant of the layout of the resort on purpose?

Smithman is, a lead that needs, to be ruled in or out.  The fact that he had not been promoted in Portugal is the biggest stumbling block for me

[G-Unit]

Smithman is, a lead that needs, to be ruled in or out.  The fact that he had not been promoted in Portugal is the biggest stumbling block for me

Perhaps OG didn't think he was Portuguese? Although the e-fits were seen in Portugal, of course, as they were seen world-wide.

[Robittybob1]

I don't have a theory because I don't think there's enough evidence on which to build one. For six years people assumed that Madeleine was carried off between 9 and 9.30 although all that was based on was a pair of legs. Another sighting which described a child very similar to Madeleine was ignored;

the child was female, about four years of age as she was similar to his granddaughter of the same age. She was a child of normal build, about a metre in height though not being absolutely certain of that as she was being carried. The child has blonde medium-hued hair, without being very light. Her skin was very white, typical of a Brit. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep and her eyelids were closed.

She has seen photographs of Madeleine McCann and thinks that it could have been her. Asked, she said she was 60% certain.....the child was female because she had straight long hair to the neck. The colour was fair/light brown. She is certain that the child was about four years old because her niece (who was in the group) is of the same age and they were the same size.

He states the child was female. She was perhaps two or three years old, in that she appeared to him to be a bit smaller than his niece of the same age. She was a child of normal build. She had blonde hair, of medium shade, not very light. Her skin was white, typically British. He did not notice her eyes as she was asleep, having closed eyelids.....Having already seen various photographs of MADELEINE and televised images, states that the child that was carried by the individual may have been her. He cannot state this as fact but is convinced that it could have been MADELEINE, an opinion shared by his family
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So a pair of legs and a man with no face get world-wide publicity and three quite detailed descriptions of a child of the right age with the right hair colour and length get none. It's interesting that one of the Smiths thought she was a bit small, which the McCanns confirmed; Madeleine was small for her age.

They should have reported their suspicions the next day, then I'd believe them.

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps OG didn't think he was Portuguese? Although the e-fits were seen in Portugal, of course, as they were seen world-wide.

Why aren't they in the PJ files?  How come Amaral didn't ask the Smiths to do e-fits at the beginning?

[jassi]

They should have reported their suspicions the next day, then I'd believe them.

Why?
Maybe they had more important things on their minds. The world doesn't stop just because a child goes missing.

[Robittybob1]

Why?
Maybe they had more important things on their minds. The world doesn't stop just because a child goes missing.

That might be so but then the day after but anything but 2 weeks later.

[jassi]

People's priorities differ, What might be important to one person can be much less so to another.