The Smithman e-fits

[barrier]

It all rather kept internet minds concentrated wonderfully in a variety of ways while Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria may very well have been doing the day job and tracking Madeleine and investigating suspects who may have had their eye taken off the ball as they contentedly posted morphing images of Smithman and a significant other.

What tracking,remember what Martin Brunt had to say,

Early ideas about sex predators, child traffickers and "a burglary gone wrong" were largely dismissed before both detective teams joined forces to focus on the latest theory.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-set-to-be-extended-as-police-ask-for-more-funds-11024595

[Wonderfulspam]

You mean the "English Police Are Stupid" graffiti?

That's only part of the artists work.

[Brietta]

You mean the "English Police Are Stupid" graffiti?

Exactly so.

[Brietta]

What tracking,remember what Martin Brunt had to say,

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-set-to-be-extended-as-police-ask-for-more-funds-11024595

What did Scotland Yard have to say?

[ShiningInLuz]

I have wondered about Crimewatch 2013 a few times. One thing I noticed was that the PJ announced the reopening of their investigation immediately after the programme was shown.

I am not au fait with the Porto investigation, so if you can fill in some details I would be most grateful.

Perchance a new thread for Robbity to start up?

[Wonderfulspam]

I am not au fait with the Porto investigation, so if you can fill in some details I would be most grateful.

Perchance a new thread for Robbity to start up?

Most I've heard of the Portuguese investigation is 'McCanns not suspects' & something about a dead black guy.

[Carana]

Perhaps you are unable to understand that Surrey Police guidelines are that e-fits are made within 72 hours, while the Smitman e-fits are dated to September 2008, some 16 months out of date.

That's flaky, and OG knew it.

Oddly enough, we have just been discussing BBE dates on the Algarve, as a product we purchased from Baptistas was 6 moths past its BBE date.  That went straight in the bin.

That's where the e-fits should have gone, except they were publicised in Portugal with the narrative that this was SY's new main suspect.

 

Perhaps I am totally thick, as you seem to be suggesting, but perhaps you could explain why the PJ didn't organise efits back in May 2007. Do you have any idea as to why they didn't?

[barrier]

What did Scotland Yard have to say?

Wasn't that long ago you were impressed with Brunt.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8490.3345

[Erngath]

Exactly so.

The work of local louts I presume?
The graffiti ?

[ShiningInLuz]

Most I've heard of the Portuguese investigation is 'McCanns not suspects' & something about a dead black guy.

The dead black guy is Euclides Monteiro, and I am now living in his neck of the woods.

Perhaps I need to pop out for a cerveja grande at his local and have a friendly chat.

But that would need to go in another thread, as the Smithman e-fits look nothing like Senhor Monteiro.

[ShiningInLuz]

Perhaps I am totally thick, as you seem to be suggesting, but perhaps you could explain why the PJ didn't organise efits back in May 2007. Do you have any idea as to why they didn't?

I am not suggesting that you are totally thick.

However, the fact remains that OG thought that e-fits which clearly do not conform to UK guidelines should be publicised.

As to the PJ, if best practice is that e-fits should be constructed within 72 hours, then trying it 23 days later (Smiths return to Luz) also seems a waste of time.  Plus I don't know if the PJ did e-fits back in 2007 (in general), nor do I know if they made public appeals based on e-fits.  IMO, I suspect not.  But I am happy to look at anything that suggests otherwise.

[Mr Gray]

The dead black guy is Euclides Monteiro, and I am now living in his neck of the woods.

Perhaps I need to pop out for a cerveja grande at his local and have a friendly chat.

But that would need to go in another thread, as the Smithman e-fits look nothing like Senhor Monteiro.

I think it would be a great idea to pop I to what was, his local... I'm sure you'll get a, warm welcome

[ShiningInLuz]

I think it would be a great idea to pop I to what was, his local... I'm sure you'll get a, warm welcome

Off topic.

Plus could you learn to soletrar?

[Mr Gray]

Off topic.

Plus could you learn to soletrar?

It was you who suggested it

[Carana]

I am not suggesting that you are totally thick.

However, the fact remains that OG thought that e-fits which clearly do not conform to UK guidelines should be publicised.

As to the PJ, if best practice is that e-fits should be constructed within 72 hours, then trying it 23 days later (Smiths return to Luz) also seems a waste of time.  Plus I don't know if the PJ did e-fits back in 2007 (in general), nor do I know if they made public appeals based on e-fits.  IMO, I suspect not.  But I am happy to look at anything that suggests otherwise.

Even 20+ days later might have had an edge over PIs trying to do it 15-18 months later... IMO.

I don't know quite what JT means by sketch, but she does mention front-face software, which leads me to think that they did have some kind of facial recognition software at the time.

 

4078    “Right.  And when you first became aware of this man holding the child, if you can try and picture in your mind, as I am sure you have done over and over again, and start from the top of his head and work your way down and tell me what he looked like?”

Reply    “You see this is where now I’m really, I don’t even know whether it’s worth doing this, because there’s been so much, since then I’ve had the, when they took me round for the surveillance to look at, and I’m guessing now it’s MURAT they wanted me to look at and, you know, all the other bits and bobs, I really don’t know, but I think I’d prefer just to stick with what I said in my original statement, in terms of the, because even, I mean, this is coming back to the sketch, even when I did the sketch, by that stage, you know, things were, were murky, I needed to that sketch that first night, I mean, they took me in to do the sketch, but they only had, erm, front facing software, so you know, and at that point I said, you know, is there, can I do, because the clothes and everything was the thing was the thing that was the most in my mind then and I can remember saying to the chap I met on the stairs earlier, I think it’s (inaudible), is it?”


4078    “Yeah”.

Reply    “Because he took me in the car back and forth and I can remember saying to him on the way back ‘Look, is there a way I can do a sketch with clothes, you know, do you have software or any way that I can do a sketch of the clothes or a side, a side view’.  And he sort of said ‘No, we don’t have that feasible, you know, feasibility or availability’.  And I said then ‘Can I do that when I go back to the UK’, you know, because at that point it was in my head and it would have been, and they were the bits that I think would have been recognisable to get down on paper.  But at that point it was like ‘Oh no, we can’t do that, we don’t work in that way’.  Which I can understand and, you know, now obviously I think ‘Oh I should have pushed and really pushed’, but at that point you rely on, you don’t, you know, you’re just in such shock and you just think ‘Okay that’s the way things do’, but”

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm