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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #945 on: March 22, 2018, 02:47:35 AM »
I think we had covered most of the questions asked by Blonk.  OK we can not answer them as we don't know enough, but since we can ask so many questions about them it does raise issues as to their reliability.
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Offline Carana

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #946 on: March 22, 2018, 08:09:24 AM »
I think we had covered most of the questions asked by Blonk.  OK we can not answer them as we don't know enough, but since we can ask so many questions about them it does raise issues as to their reliability.

"Their reliability" - what are you referring to?

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #947 on: March 22, 2018, 08:40:29 AM »
I think we had covered most of the questions asked by Blonk.  OK we can not answer them as we don't know enough, but since we can ask so many questions about them it does raise issues as to their reliability.

I hope to have some answers from the horses mouth very soon.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #948 on: March 22, 2018, 09:46:28 AM »
I think we had covered most of the questions asked by Blonk.  OK we can not answer them as we don't know enough, but since we can ask so many questions about them it does raise issues as to their reliability.

In my opinion the questions can't be answered because most of them are based on opinion and unconfirmed rumours, not on facts.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #949 on: March 22, 2018, 09:56:07 AM »
In my opinion the questions can't be answered because most of them are based on opinion and unconfirmed rumours, not on facts.
Questions are questions and they can be answered any way possible.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #950 on: March 22, 2018, 10:01:42 AM »
I hope to have some answers from the horses mouth very soon.

I really look forward to it

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #951 on: March 22, 2018, 10:07:11 AM »
I hope to have some answers from the horses mouth very soon.
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+horse%27s+mouth

An idiom  "(straight) from the horse's mouth
Fig. from an authoritative or dependable source. (See also .) I know it's true! I heard it straight from the horse's mouth! This comes straight from the horse's mouth, so it has to be believed"
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Offline Carana

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #952 on: March 22, 2018, 10:09:08 AM »
I missed a few out (mostly "questions" strung out when, with different phrasing, they could have been condensed to just one or two).

In the middle of that were these:

49.   Why did Martin Smith meet with DCI Andy Redwood, Head of the Met Police’s Operation Grange, in 2012?
50.   What did he discuss with him?


Assuming that he did actually meet with Redwood, as no cite was provided, are readers supposed to conclude that there is something suspicious about this? If so, what?


Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #953 on: March 22, 2018, 10:13:53 AM »
It would have to have been a very cunning hiding place with all the people out looking for her the next day. So then what? Her body was quickly moved early in the morning? But where to, and how?

Distance from apartment 5a was all that was needed. The body was meant to be found. Unfortunately the bins were emptied.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #954 on: March 22, 2018, 10:23:04 AM »
Distance from apartment 5a was all that was needed. The body was meant to be found. Unfortunately the bins were emptied.

Staff and volunteers poked around in bins that night. Ok, presumably not thoroughly. The dump was eventually inspected, although I doubt that that was very thorough, either.

Irrespective of who may have dumped it in one, if it was meant to be found, wouldn't simply leaving the body on top of the heap have had a greater chance of success?

Correction: containers were checked, but not the dump.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #955 on: March 22, 2018, 10:46:12 AM »
Staff and volunteers poked around in bins that night. Ok, presumably not thoroughly. The dump was eventually inspected, although I doubt that that was very thorough, either.

Irrespective of who may have dumped it in one, if it was meant to be found, wouldn't simply leaving the body on top of the heap have had a greater chance of success?

As you say the staff and volunteers may have performed  a perfunctory search of the bins but by the early hours of the 4th the bins had been collected and emptied. Further the landfill that rubbish from PDL goes to was never searched.

Remember if my hypothesis is correct this had to look like the abductor had dumped the body.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2018, 10:53:46 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Lace

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #956 on: March 22, 2018, 10:46:38 AM »
I can understand how Martin Smith could say it wasn't Murat,   the person he saw didn't wear glasses,  has anyone ever seen a photo of Murat without his glasses?


Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #957 on: March 22, 2018, 10:49:30 AM »
I can understand how Martin Smith could say it wasn't Murat,   the person he saw didn't wear glasses,  has anyone ever seen a photo of Murat without his glasses?
Most of the photos I've seen were taken during the day.  Whether he wears glasses at night is not established.
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Offline Carana

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #958 on: March 22, 2018, 11:06:23 AM »
As you say the staff and volunteers may have performed  a perfunctory search of the bins but by the early hours of the 4th the bins had been collected and emptied. Further the landfill that rubbish from PDL goes to was never searched.

Remember if my hypothesis is correct this had to look like the abductor had dumped the body.

It was more than that, but no, my mistake, I thought they'd also checked the landfill, which doesn't appear to be the case.

 12-Processos Vol XII Page 3183

TRANSLATION BY INES
12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3183
Service Information

2007/05/07

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: J. C. Franco, Inspector


Subject: Verification of Rubbish Containers


I hereby bring to your notice, that on this date, I the undersigned, together with Inspector Luis Piedade as well as three employees from the Lagos Municipal Chamber, responsible for rubbish collection from Praia da Luz, went to P da L and carried out a detailed check of all the rubbish containers in the area, including the underground containers, as well as in surrounding areas, a total of 188 containers were checked, nothing was found of interest to the NUIPC 201.07 OGALGS investigation.

Signed


Inspector J.C. Franco

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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #959 on: March 22, 2018, 11:11:18 AM »
Questions are questions and they can be answered any way possible.

Questions are much more than that. Behind every question is a purpose. It's that purpose which matters because it shapes which questions are asked and how they are presented.

Reading the 60 questions their purpose is clear; to cast doubt on the Smiths and their evidence. In order to achieve that purpose most of the questions reveal the questioner's opinion and ask for agreement. They are presented in such a way as to make anyone who disagrees look stupid. Take question No 1;

Why would anyone whose daughter had died recently (whether hours or days earlier) be so bone-headed as to carry her openly through the streets of a popular tourist resort

The questioner is telling you that in their opinion only a 'bone-head' would carry his dead daughter's body openly through the streets of a popular tourist resort. It's a statement of their own opinion rather than an attempt to discover what the responer thinks. A more valid wording might have been;

Do you think it's possible that someone openly carried a dead body through the streets of Luz?

That question contains nothing to reveal the questioner's opinions, and nothing to suggest which answer would be seen as valid. It's much more neutral and objective.






 
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