The Smithman e-fits

[Robittybob1]

Once Exton became suspicious about Halligen he investigated him. He then approached the FBI with a dossier of the evidence he had gathered. That led to the FBI beginning their own investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRCWfPn_k4

It is something that needs to be explained.  Who sat on the Smithman e-fits for at least 4 years or was it 5 years?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just suggesting causes for the anomalies above.

Yet the only causes you can think of involve the finger of suspicion being pointed at the parents, can you genuinely not think of any others?

[Alice Purjorick]

I was wondering as well if an NDA would apply to the police... I don't see how it could be enforceable, either, even if that were technically the case.

I'm not sure about your point 5 though. I can see it both ways: either, as you suggest, that the dossier wasn't crucial after all or that part of it (including the efits) was indeed considered to be important enough to Oakley to avoid potential charges (if ever) of withholding evidence in a missing child case.

Whether the McCannns / Fund got hold of the full dossier prior to 2009 might be a different issue.

There was apparently a legal saga over the aborted contract, with some disgruntled people that Halligen hadn't paid, so I find it feasible that some of the dosceier may have been withheld pending the outcome of that.... Then, of course, Halligen got nabbed for other offences.

In this instance we know who Party B is but not Party A.
Under most contractual arrangements title of "goods" does not transfer until the appropriate quantum of coin of the realm has been handed over. It can become a bit messy if Party B is subletting to Party C if such subletting is not allowed under the contract. It is normal in most contractual arrangements to have a clause which precludes subletting without prior permission of Party A.
Point 5 was slightly but only slightly tongue in cheek. I am sure you follow the drift.

[Carana]

In this instance we know who Party B is but not Party A.
Under most contractual arrangements title of "goods" does not transfer until the appropriate quantum of coin of the realm has been handed over. It can become a bit messy if Party B is subletting to Party C if such subletting is not allowed under the contract. It is normal in most contractual arrangements to have a clause which precludes subletting without prior permission of Party A.
Point 5 was slightly but only slightly tongue in cheek. I am sure you follow the drift.

Not much has been made public about the legal gripes, aside from the fact that Halligen seemingly swanned off with the cash, and didn't pay his disgruntled employees / sub-contractors.

Could some parts of the dossier have been withheld pending sub-contractors getting paid? I find that possible. What, if any, sub-contracting contract actually say? Was it even officially a sub-contract?

A bit of a mess, methinks.

[jassi]

Not much has been made public about the legal gripes, aside from the fact that Halligen seemingly swanned off with the cash, and didn't pay his disgruntled employees / sub-contractors.

Could some parts of the dossier have been withheld pending sub-contractors getting paid? I find that possible. What, if any, sub-contracting contract actually say? Was it even officially a sub-contract?

A bit of a mess, methinks.

One blown up out of proportion, I would say.
The information contained in this 'ere dossier has been in the hands of the investigating authorities since at least 2011. As Redwood didn't see fit to bring forth the e-fits until 2013, it would suggest to me at least that the dossier contained little of value.

[Carana]

One blown up out of proportion, I would say.
The information contained in this 'ere dossier has been in the hands of the investigating authorities since at least 2011. As Redwood didn't see fit to bring forth the e-fits until 2013, it would suggest to me at least that the dossier contained little of value.

Don't know about that. Smithman may have been the focal point of the programme, but some of the people in the dossier that the PIs thought to be of potential interest were interviewed, I believe, even though they seem to have ended up being crossed off.

[jassi]

Don't know about that. Smithman may have been the focal point of the programme, but some of the people in the dossier that the PIs thought to be of potential interest were interviewed, I believe, even though they seem to have ended up being crossed off.

So satisfactorily deal with.

[Alice Purjorick]

One blown up out of proportion, I would say.
The information contained in this 'ere dossier has been in the hands of the investigating authorities since at least 2011. As Redwood didn't see fit to bring forth the e-fits until 2013, it would suggest to me at least that the dossier contained little of value.

1) I think there are two options regarding the content leading to the same conclusion.....a lemon.
2) The bit that everyone is skating around very gently is who were the contracting parties and what was the contract?
3) Until 2 is known 1 stands.

[Carana]

One blown up out of proportion, I would say.
The information contained in this 'ere dossier has been in the hands of the investigating authorities since at least 2011. As Redwood didn't see fit to bring forth the e-fits until 2013, it would suggest to me at least that the dossier contained little of value.

Possibly, but not necessarily, IMO.

What problems could have been created if a public appeal by the UK to help identify Smithman had been made before PT reopened its own investigation?

Is it really a coincidence that Crimewatch and the PT reopening both happened in October 2013? Or did both forces need to come to some kind of agreement on how to handle it?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24530186

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/24/missing-madeleine-mccann-investigation-reopened-portuguese-police

[barrier]

Possibly, but not necessarily, IMO.

What problems could have been created if a public appeal by the UK to help identify Smithman had been made before PT reopened its own investigation?

Is it really a coincidence that Crimewatch and the PT reopening both happened in October 2013? Or did both forces need to come to some kind of agreement on how to handle it?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24530186

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/24/missing-madeleine-mccann-investigation-reopened-portuguese-police

My bolded,given it's  essentially a Portuguese investigation(Hogan Howe) and the MET are there to assist,its not too far of a stretch to suggest that the MET needed the Portuguese.

[Carana]

My bolded,given it's  essentially a Portuguese investigation(Hogan Howe) and the MET are there to assist,its not too far of a stretch to suggest that the MET needed the Portuguese.

That's what I was thinking...

[G-Unit]

Possibly, but not necessarily, IMO.

What problems could have been created if a public appeal by the UK to help identify Smithman had been made before PT reopened its own investigation?

Is it really a coincidence that Crimewatch and the PT reopening both happened in October 2013? Or did both forces need to come to some kind of agreement on how to handle it?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24530186

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/24/missing-madeleine-mccann-investigation-reopened-portuguese-police

I've noticed that coincidence also, and wondered about a possible connection.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I've noticed that coincidence also, and wondered about a possible connection.

I suspected that new information had been offered to either police force, which would have been a reason for the PJ to reopen the archived files. I also suspected a UK person/s was of interest. Just a guess on my part.

[sadie]

I suspected that new information had been offered to either police force, which would have been a reason for the PJ to reopen the archived files. I also suspected a UK person/s was of interest. Just a guess on my part.

I was thinking more like someone of dual nationality actually ... and I have reasons for thinking that, but I could be wrong.  I always know that.

If it were someone of only UK nationality then it would be all over by now.  All wrapped up and finished IMO

[sadie]

I suspected that new information had been offered to either police force, which would have been a reason for the PJ to reopen the archived files. I also suspected a UK person/s was of interest. Just a guess on my part.

Glad to say that I am with you on that.

I think that at least two lots of new info have been passed to SY and Porto Special Force.