The Smithman e-fits

[barrier]

Something seems wrong with that story.

Which bit Rob?

[Robittybob1]

Which bit Rob?

I recalled we were being told the photo fits were passed on earlier than that by someone else.  The two stories did not align IMO.

[G-Unit]

I recalled we were being told the photo fits were passed on earlier than that by someone else.  The two stories did not align IMO.

According to the Madeleine Fund the e-fits were given to the PJ and LP in 2009. The report and the e-fits were given to OG in 2011. They never said who by. 

[Robittybob1]

According to the Madeleine Fund the e-fits were given to the PJ and LP in 2009. The report and the e-fits were given to OG in 2011. They never said who by.

So do we have to think that the LP could have had the e-fits in 2009 but they were not passed on to Operation Grange until 2011.

[G-Unit]

So do we have to think that the LP could have had the e-fits in 2009 but they were not passed on to Operation Grange until 2011.

If Exton was telling the truth OG had to go looking for the information, so it wasn't passed to them as a matter of course. They had to do the same with Metodo 3 too. I wonder if the McCanns foresaw that the information from their PI's would be gathered in and reviewed as well as the official files.

[sadie]

So do we have to think that the LP could have had the e-fits in 2009 but they were not passed on to Operation Grange until 2011.

When did Operation Grange start?

[Carana]

So do we have to think that the LP could have had the e-fits in 2009 but they were not passed on to Operation Grange until 2011.

Alternatively, as there had been some legal wrangling over the fact that Halligen had swanned off leaving a number of disgruntled sub-contractors, his outfit may have handed over part of the dossier in 2009, but the Met didn't get the full dossier in 2011.

[faithlilly]

Alternatively, as there had been some legal wrangling over the fact that Halligen had swanned off leaving a number of disgruntled sub-contractors, his outfit may have handed over part of the dossier in 2009, but the Met didn't get the full dossier in 2011.

Wouldn't that have been rather petty behaviour for a group of highly trained professionals?

[Carana]

Wouldn't that have been rather petty behaviour for a group of highly trained professionals?

Not necessarily if they'd expected Halligen to pay them and weren't.

[Robittybob1]

When did Operation Grange start?

Here is an exact date and time:
"At 12.00hrs on Tuesday 14th June 2011 UK primacy for this matter formally passed from Leicestershire Constabulary to the Metropolitan Police Service under Operation GRANGE."

[faithlilly]

Not necessarily if they'd expected Halligen to pay them and weren't.

Explain how handing over part of the dossier to the police would hurt Halligen ?

[G-Unit]

Alternatively, as there had been some legal wrangling over the fact that Halligen had swanned off leaving a number of disgruntled sub-contractors, his outfit may have handed over part of the dossier in 2009, but the Met didn't get the full dossier in 2011.

It has been claimed that the e-fits were given to the PJ and LP in 2009. We don't know who by. There was no mention of a report or dossier being handed over at that time. The report and e-fits were both given to OG in 2011. 

[sadie]

Here is an exact date and time:
"At 12.00hrs on Tuesday 14th June 2011 UK primacy for this matter formally passed from Leicestershire Constabulary to the Metropolitan Police Service under Operation GRANGE."

Thank you, Rob ....so Operation  Grange wasn't even there in 2009 ?

[Robittybob1]

Thank you, Rob ....so Operation  Grange wasn't even there in 2009 ?

Apparently not.  SY would have to refer people to the LP if they had information about the case up to that hour.
So the e-fits could be handed to the LP in 2009,  then later to OG in 2011 (after the 14th June 2011).

[Robittybob1]

It has been claimed that the e-fits were given to the PJ and LP in 2009. We don't know who by. There was no mention of a report or dossier being handed over at that time. The report and e-fits were both given to OG in 2011.

So that allows for at least two parties being able to supply OG with the e-fits:
1.  LP
2. the PIs