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TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
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What I want to do here is to isolate and insert the file references into this document.  If you know the reference to a section copy it and put the link and I'll amend the OP as more accurate information appears in the thread.  Please all help for it is quite a task.  Even if the Initials are decoded that would be a great help  eg RRSB is Raj Balu.


TIME LINE THEORY

THANKS TO  KAZLUX

"Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. [Stephen Carpenter http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm] and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

At 21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm] heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm] heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P.B. [Paul wortelboer], a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm] looked towards the table but saw no one - his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/J-T-R-Salcedas.htm or http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm] went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm] (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-M-M-DE-SILVA.htm] declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn't yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;

. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;

. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm] was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm] heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millennium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. [Raj Balu http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm]  and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. [Berry] family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. [Neil Berry] and R.R.S.B. [Raj Balu] They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.'s balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm ] was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

About 22.15 Owner of "Duque de Holanda" Bar J. O. W. [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JUNE_WRIGHT.htm ] was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm ] received a call from L.J., [http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm ] the CrĂȘche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm ], near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the "Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child".

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Georgina_Jackson.htm ] knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm ] gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm ] was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm ].

Manager G. R. C. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND-1.htm ] arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIRSTY-MARYAN.htm ] found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ALEXANDER_SOUSA.htm ] . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm ] heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.

Millennium restaurant employee D. J. A. V. d. S.  [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID_SANTOS.htm ] stated that an individual, tall and of British nationality, appeared in the restaurant at about 22.30/22.45, who asked him whether he had seen a little girl who had disappeared, describing her as blonde and three years old and that she was probably wearing pyjamas. The witness and his colleague, M.d.F. [ http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA-FERNANDES.htm ] , replied that they hadn't, upon which the individual ran out.

Millennium waiter G. C. C. C. says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 - 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn't know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile. He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened. The employee then left the bar/restaurant. When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM.

Around 22H45, nanny S. B. O. was in the bar known as 'Mirage' together with her colleagues, whose names are Emma, Shinead, Najoua, Hayley and Stacy, which is situated close to the perimeter of the aforementioned resort. After returning from the bathroom, she was informed by her colleague Hayley that a child, of about 3 years of age, and whom was staying at the Ocean Club, had disappeared; she immediately, together with her colleagues, went to the area of a restaurant (Millennium) in the establishment in question near to the bar they were at and began searching for the missing child; during the search, she realised, together with her colleagues of the Ocean Club, others (tourists/owners) were also participating in the search;



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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 11:43:36 PM »
What I want to do here is to isolate and insert the file references into this document.  If you know the reference to a section copy it and put the link and I'll amend the OP as more accurate information appears in the thread.  Please all help for it is quite a task.  Even if the Initials are decoded that would be a great help  eg RRSB is Raj Balu.


TIME LINE THEORY

THANKS TO  KAZLUX

"Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

At 21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. looked towards the table but saw no one - his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn't yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;

. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;

. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millennium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. and R.R.S.B. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.'s balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

About 22.15 Owner of "Duque de Holanda" Bar J. O. W. was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. received a call from L.J., the CrĂȘche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T., near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the "Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child".

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B..

Manager G. R. C. arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.

Millennium restaurant employee D. J. A. V. d. S. stated that an individual, tall and of British nationality, appeared in the restaurant at about 22.30/22.45, who asked him whether he had seen a little girl who had disappeared, describing her as blonde and three years old and that she was probably wearing pyjamas. The witness and his colleague, M.d.F., replied that they hadn't, upon which the individual ran out.

Millennium waiter G. C. C. C. says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 - 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn't know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile. He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened. The employee then left the bar/restaurant. When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM.

Around 22H45, nanny S. B. O. was in the bar known as 'Mirage' together with her colleagues, whose names are Emma, Shinead, Najoua, Hayley and Stacy, which is situated close to the perimeter of the aforementioned resort. After returning from the bathroom, she was informed by her colleague Hayley that a child, of about 3 years of age, and whom was staying at the Ocean Club, had disappeared; she immediately, together with her colleagues, went to the area of a restaurant (Millennium) in the establishment in question near to the bar they were at and began searching for the missing child; during the search, she realised, together with her colleagues of the Ocean Club, others (tourists/owners) were also participating in the search;

22.45/22.50 Manager J. H. went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. He always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception, with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer

22.50 pm - First call to GNR Lagos precinct (Guarda Nacional Republicana, rural police); The first call to Police Precinct of GNR (Portuguese Rural Police) in Lagos, reporting a missing child and asking for Police help was made at 10.50pm and a patrol was sent, arriving at Ocean Club 12/15 minutes later, according to Lieutenant-Colonel Costa Cabral, Head of Public Relations of GNR.

About 22.55/23.00 manager E. L. K. went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When she arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom she now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided her with the details that she needed.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. arrived at about 23.00 and immediately began to search the resort and the beach area, searching in all the places where the child might be. The searches were carried out by employees from the Tapas and the restaurant who had just finished their shifts and by some local people.

Accountant J. D. N. d. O. N. notes that on May 03, 2007, (Thursday), at around 23H00, at home, in Ramalhete, Casa ***, Praia da Luz, Luz, Lagos, situated close to the OC resort, he noticed "much movement and traffic that was out of the ordinary," outside (vehicles and individuals passing by frequently) for that time of night. For this reason, he went to look out of his window. Whilst this was happening, he noticed a colleague, J.C.B. (Head of Maintenance at the resort) standing next to his house, who told him what had happened. J.C.B. told him that a child staying at the tourist complex had disappeared.

About 23.00 hrs, OC guest G. McK. approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment. He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment. He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone. Mr McCann was looking over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie. Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared "she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles". He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member: "I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation. He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off."

After she arrived about 23.00 S.B. went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.

-snip-

Did Amaral allow this Kazlux insert his one sided report, thorough though it was, into the official files.... or not ? 

Why was that tolerated?   

Do you think that Kazlux has cherry picked a minority of witness statements to make it look as though Madeleine went missing earlier than the majority of witnesses report in their statements?

Did you notice that the most important and pertinent times in the Kazlux report, of when Madeleine actually was noticed missing, are all taken from the fewer people who disagreed with The Mccanns, the Tapas group and a number of other witnesses on the accepted timeline ?

IIRC, Kazlux was a leading opponent of everything to do with the Mccanns on the very aggressive and active 3 A's forum.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that.


Could it have been what Amaral wanted Kazlux's report in the official files to help undermine the witness statements of the Mccanns, the Tapas group and others?   *%6^


Can anyone think of any other reason why he allowed it amongst the official files?


Please note:  There are no opinions in this post.  It is just a series of questions

Offline G-Unit

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 07:14:56 AM »
Did Amaral allow this Kazlux insert his one sided report, thorough though it was, into the official files.... or not ? 

Why was that tolerated?   

Do you think that Kazlux has cherry picked a minority of witness statements to make it look as though Madeleine went missing earlier than the majority of witnesses report in their statements?

Did you notice that the most important and pertinent times in the Kazlux report, of when Madeleine actually was noticed missing, are all taken from the fewer people who disagreed with The Mccanns, the Tapas group and a number of other witnesses on the accepted timeline ?

IIRC, Kazlux was a leading opponent of everything to do with the Mccanns on the very aggressive and active 3 A's forum.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that.


Could it have been what Amaral wanted Kazlux's report in the official files to help undermine the witness statements of the Mccanns, the Tapas group and others?   *%6^


Can anyone think of any other reason why he allowed it amongst the official files?


Please note:  There are no opinions in this post.  It is just a series of questions

Opinions in this post;

Kazlux's report is one-sided.
Kazlux cherry picked statements.
There were fewer people who disagreed with the McCann's timeline than agreed with it.
Amaral allowed/encouraged the inclusion of this report in the official files.

They are opinions because no cites have been provided to demonstrate they are correct.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2018, 08:30:03 AM »
They are all questions so could be answered by someone who knows how to do it.   I was hoping to get all the references in and that will take few days of work.  and then there will be a chance of answering these questions posed by Sadie.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 09:00:54 AM »
There appears to be a mistake in the file.  "[ Susan Bernadette Owen  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm ] was in the bar known as 'Mirage' together with her colleagues, whose names are Emma, Shinead, Najoua, Hayley and Stacy, which is situated close to the perimeter of the aforementioned resort. After returning from the bathroom, she was informed by her colleague Hayley that a child, of about 3 years of age, and whom was staying at the Ocean Club, had disappeared; she immediately, together with her colleagues, went to the area of a restaurant (Millennium) in the establishment in question near to the bar they were at and began searching for the missing child; during the search, she realised, together with her colleagues of the Ocean Club, others (tourists/owners) were also participating in the search;"

I think with more research it will be found that the restaurant in question will be the Tapas Restaurant rather than the Millennium.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 09:10:21 AM »
They are all questions so could be answered by someone who knows how to do it.   I was hoping to get all the references in and that will take few days of work.  and then there will be a chance of answering these questions posed by Sadie.

How can you tackle a hypothetical question such as 'Did Amaral allow etc'? My answer would be that he had nothing to do with it because my opinion is that Kazlux's report was done after the files were released. Otherwise how was he/she able to access all the statements?

As to the statement that Kazlux's report was biased, that's Sadie's opinion. It's up to her to provide evidence if she wants to post it as a fact.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2018, 09:21:40 AM »
How can you tackle a hypothetical question such as 'Did Amaral allow etc'? My answer would be that he had nothing to do with it because my opinion is that Kazlux's report was done after the files were released. Otherwise how was he/she able to access all the statements?

As to the statement that Kazlux's report was biased, that's Sadie's opinion. It's up to her to provide evidence if she wants to post it as a fact.
Well then that could be the answer if we could get a production date of the study.  When was the most recent statement quoted by Kazlux?  Does (s)he quote from the rogatory statement s gathered after Amaral has left?  I personally don't think Amaral is behind this study.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2018, 09:31:17 AM »
Well then that could be the answer if we could get a production date of the study.  When was the most recent statement quoted by Kazlux?  Does (s)he quote from the rogatory statement s gathered after Amaral has left?  I personally don't think Amaral is behind this study.

I quite agree, but for some strange reason his name gets dragged in at every opportunity
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2018, 06:44:57 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 link=topic=9185.msg447795#msg447795
date=1519550500
Well then that could be the answer if we could get a production date of
the study.  When was the most recent statement quoted by Kazlux?  Does
(s)he quote from the rogatory statement s gathered after Amaral has
left?  I personally don't think Amaral is behind this study.
Well if Gerrymccann blogs (not Gerrys blog at all, just a confusing name
btw) are passing it off as part of the PJ paperwork, then either it is
falsely being used in that it misrepresents the unknown PJ stance
OR,
Amaral is choosing to use it to demonstrate to the world a biased opinion.

There is nothing to publicly indicate that it is one (very biased) mans
collection and as such it doesn't represent the main thrust of the gist
of the statements.  It is the opposite of transparency, which everyone
keeps demanding

Collectively or independently, this 'report' is biased , but gives the
false impression that it is 'Official'  ... so poor old Joe Blogs will
think that The PJ have released a bona fide document. One that on the
face of it attempts to demonstrate that the tapas group, The Mccanns and
a goodly number of witnesses werre lying.

As such it is a phoney weapon against The Mccanns.   Something more to
beat them up with

All Kazlux, or whoever wrote it, had to do to make it valid was to make
sure that he, or they, made it plain that he / they were putting forward
an alternative set of times at variance with the generally accepted ones
.... and to put their names to it. 

THen it would be worthy of a good analysis



Offline Carana

Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 07:21:20 PM »
As far as I know, that "document" is not part of the official files, but a compilation by one or more people way back circa end 2008 who were interested in the (somewhat confusing, IMO) times.

As such, it doesn't mean that what is written is cast in stone. It should be easy enough to cross-check in the event of doubts or if details have been added or ommitted.


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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2018, 08:03:05 PM »
Well if Gerrymccann blogs (not Gerrys blog at all, just a confusing name
btw) are passing it off as part of the PJ paperwork, then either it is
falsely being used in that it misrepresents the unknown PJ stance
OR,
Amaral is choosing to use it to demonstrate to the world a biased opinion.

There is nothing to publicly indicate that it is one (very biased) mans
collection and as such it doesn't represent the main thrust of the gist
of the statements.  It is the opposite of transparency, which everyone
keeps demanding

Collectively or independently, this 'report' is biased , but gives the
false impression that it is 'Official'  ... so poor old Joe Blogs will
think that The PJ have released a bona fide document. One that on the
face of it attempts to demonstrate that the tapas group, The Mccanns and
a goodly number of witnesses werre lying.

As such it is a phoney weapon against The Mccanns.   Something more to
beat them up with

All Kazlux, or whoever wrote it, had to do to make it valid was to make
sure that he, or they, made it plain that he / they were putting forward
an alternative set of times at variance with the generally accepted ones
.... and to put their names to it. 

THen it would be worthy of a good analysis
I have only looked at the first 1900 words or so and it is fairly correct in what it says IMO.  A long way to go to get to the end of the document looking at all the  references.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 08:15:00 PM »
I quite agree, but for some strange reason his name gets dragged in at every opportunity
There are quotes in the document from GA, which seems logical to assign to Goncalo Amaral.  Does Concalo provide a statement within the Official PJ file?  I can't recall it.
"DCCB LETTER DIRECT TO AMARAL 27 SEP 07"
"PJ SERVICE INFO FOR G AMARAL FROM R PAIVA"

Nothing from Amaral.

So you can't really blame people bringing Amaral into the discussion as Kazlux introduced Amaral within the document under examination.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 08:44:20 PM »
There are quotes in the document from GA, which seems logical to assign to Goncalo Amaral.  Does Concalo provide a statement within the Official PJ file?  I can't recall it.
"DCCB LETTER DIRECT TO AMARAL 27 SEP 07"
"PJ SERVICE INFO FOR G AMARAL FROM R PAIVA"

Nothing from Amaral.

So you can't really blame people bringing Amaral into the discussion as Kazlux introduced Amaral within the document under examination.

Quoting from his book. Moving from that to suggesting he conspired with Kazlux in some way is a bit of a leap imo.
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2018, 08:53:09 PM »
Quoting from his book. Moving from that to suggesting he conspired with Kazlux in some way is a bit of a leap imo.
It is, but how do we explain the references to Raj Balu's and Neil Berry's previous statements not in the released PJ file?  (Note: I'm taking Misty's word for this ATM, for double checking this is in my "to do list" at this stage.)
Could certain people get extra detail over and above what is publicly available.  I think there are times reporters do get to see "secret reports" which they refer to but never quote from.
Some others may get hold of statements which the file refers to but not released to the public.  I have previously pointed out there are previous statements that are not attached in the file.  Why was that?
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Re: TIME LINE THEORY THANKS TO KAZLUX - file references added
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2018, 10:37:51 PM »
It is, but how do we explain the references to Raj Balu's and Neil Berry's previous statements not in the released PJ file?  (Note: I'm taking Misty's word for this ATM, for double checking this is in my "to do list" at this stage.)
Could certain people get extra detail over and above what is publicly available.  I think there are times reporters do get to see "secret reports" which they refer to but never quote from.
Some others may get hold of statements which the file refers to but not released to the public.  I have previously pointed out there are previous statements that are not attached in the file.  Why was that?

Don't get excited, there's nothing mysterious going on.

On 10th September 2007 a report was produced by the DCCB Brigado Central de Analise de Informacao in Lisbon. It included the following passage, so that's probably where Kazlux got it.

Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.
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