Jeremy Bamber - Unluckiest person in the world?

[jackiepreece]

John you have said before that Jeremy might not be guilty he might just be the unluckiest person in the world.

Can you give any scenarios where someone else is guilty of the murders at WHF and Jeremy has taken the fall for a crime he did no committ

[John]

John you have said before that Jeremy might not be guilty he might just be the unluckiest person in the world.

Can you give any scenarios where someone else is guilty of the murders at WHF and Jeremy has taken the fall for a crime he did no committ

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but have been busy with some early arrivals on the farm.

I did say that there is always a slim chance that Jeremy might be innocent given everything that we know but I cannot put any meat on those bones Jackie.  The evidence overwhelmingly points to him being guilty.  Remember Jackie, Jeremy didn't have to have pulled the trigger to be guilty, he only had to have prior knowledge of the crime.

Goatboy is correct when he stated earlier that no third party intruder could have got into the farmhouse and out again without leaving a trace. 

[goatboy]

For some reason the blue forum doesn't like this question, I was reminded of it on the UK Justice Forum Facebook page today. Why when accused of lying in court did Jeremy merely answer "that is what you have to establish"? Were it not for the wealth of circumstantial evidence against him I would probably think him guilty for this comment alone. An innocent man in a court of law would not give that answer. The only person who would give an answer like that is a guilty man who thinks the law has nothing on him.

I would be interested to hear a Bamber supporter's view on this comment. Because I think it is pretty damning.

[John]

For some reason the blue forum doesn't like this question, I was reminded of it on the UK Justice Forum Facebook page today. Why when accused of lying in court did Jeremy merely answer "that is what you have to establish"? Were it not for the wealth of circumstantial evidence against him I would probably think him guilty for this comment alone. An innocent man in a court of law would not give that answer. The only person who would give an answer like that is a guilty man who thinks the law has nothing on him.

I would be interested to hear a Bamber supporter's view on this comment. Because I think it is pretty damning.

It is quite remarkable how little effort he put into stating his innocence.  Had he in fact been completely innocent he would have been shouting it from the rooftops at every opportunity and especially with so many reporters around.  When he was given the opportunity to speak and say his piece at the police interview the most common two words were...

NO COMMENT
NO COMMENT
NO COMMENT
NO COMMENT

Hardly the actions of an innocent person was it?

...as was hiding his shame and guilt under his cardigan?



Jeremy Bamber leaves the court in 1985
following his indictment on robbery charges.

[jackiepreece]

You could look at this two ways that if Jeremy was in fact innocent he didn't believe he could possibly be found guilty on just circumstantial

Obviously not well led by his barrister before being cross examined

If Jeremy had in fact killed his family I would have expected to see a much more scared Bamber in the dock knowing what the case against him was.  I still believe if there was a retrial today Jeremy would be found not guilty

The case is not proven 100% either way

[Andrea]

Jack, Bamber didnt show any fear in the dock the same as he showed no remorse or genuine grief at their deaths.

Bamber was arrogant, and thought he would get away with it. He even says now that he never sees himself not being a free man one day, that arrogance is still there.

[Angelo222]

Jack, Bamber didnt show any fear in the dock the same as he showed no remorse or genuine grief at their deaths.

Bamber was arrogant, and thought he would get away with it. He even says now that he never sees himself not being a free man one day, that arrogance is still there.

The trial judge Mr Justice Drake had Jeremy down to a tee when he made his comments after the verdict had been received.  It is worth having a look at the ITN news report in the video section which describes how Jeremy received the verdict and the judges comments before being taken down.

[jackiepreece]

Andrea
I have had many long conversations with Jeremy and letters and I don't see that arrogance people talk about.  I could give you a number of examples where he is always putting himself down.  I have often seen a naive not very streetwise person believing everything he is told.
I can only go by my own personal experience of him.

It's nice to see the case being discussed on the forum though rather than another quiz night or the Simon Hall case. These matters need to be dealt with.

I notice Mrs Halls mate is back on doing some 'crucial to the Bamber case' posting

[jackiepreece]

David can you remember the comments the trial judge made when the Guildford four were sentenced

Judges do make mistakes

[Andrea]

I know you feel differently, jack.

But IMO, Bamber will feed bullshit by the shovel full to anyone who will listen. Remember Jack, i did lean towards innocence. So i have looked at this case from BOTH sides.

JB enjoys being a thorn in the side of the legal sytem and his wider family. He will continue to find discrepancies in the paper work, that he then tries to say proves his innocence, it does no such thing. The trial and appeals/applications show that.

[Andrea]

Good grief! Jeremy Kyle. Why would anyone want to air their problems to the nation on that show. Oh dear!!

[Padgates staff]

I came across some interesting comments underneath the video of JB on I think 'Crimes that shook Britain'- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OlvzCVrmc

"05:15 When told of the murders he 'broke down,cried and was in a state of traumatic shock' -- Fortunately in the following weeks,Jeremy was able to regain his composure enough to have the farmhouse contents/ assets valuated,was able to dine out with friends at expensive resturants (including on the night of his parents funerals), go on a cannabis buying trip to Amsterdam,enquire about buying a porche, attempt to sell nude photos of Sheila to a Tabloid, before embarking on a holiday in St Tropez."-well didn't the Menendez brothers do something similar when they shot their parents and killed them?

There were many comments about polygraph testing too, I don't know why Jeremy Bamber had one since the evidence is admissable in English courts and one person pointed out "Well, he's been lying for 25 years", so is it a case if you say something for long enough you believe it?

Plus Sheila's 'clean' nature-found with immaculate nails and no lead traces, one person points out- "Why wont you answer the question? Explain to me how Sheila shot her family. Ya know, she shot them, made something to eat, had a bath, barked like a dog to confuse the cops, read the bible, please!! Bamber is guilty, and he aint ever coming out. haha."
Another personmentions that if Sheila had got debris on her feet it might have been down to the firearm team knocking a bowl over as they went through the house.

There does seem to be a lot of Jeremy supporter sites out there which claim 'to tell the truth' which as someone else pointed out "You mean that he is proclaiming his OWN innocence on his OWN website?", it's only lately I've found more sites telling opposite ends to the supporter site.

I do wonder also how many people have made money off the back of this case-books, representation fees, documentaries etc

[John]

I came across some interesting comments underneath the video of JB on I think 'Crimes that shook Britain'- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OlvzCVrmc

"05:15 When told of the murders he 'broke down,cried and was in a state of traumatic shock...

Not so much shock but a sudden release of pent-up guilt and realisation at what he had just done some hours earlier...results look the same.

[Padgates staff]

I've just read this over there>>>>
"the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident"-I know I shouldn't laugh but this is a classic! Epic even!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3770.msg152313/topicseen.html#msg152313

[Admin]

I've just read this over there>>>>
"the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident"-I know I shouldn't laugh but this is a classic! Epic even!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3770.msg152313/topicseen.html#msg152313

The dog wouldn't know much as he hid under the bed.