Jeremy Bamber - Unluckiest person in the world?

[goatboy]

I don't remember him saying that in the book either. However, their marriage had ended when the boys were only 5 months old so obviously Colin had moved on as people do after marriages break down. In the book Colin reveals at the party at his house the weekend before the murders Sheila seemed scared of Jeremy and wouldn't ask him for a lift home herself. Colin also reveals that Jeremy quizzed him at some length about Sheila's mental health problems for the first time which he saw as quite sinister in retrospect.

[Angelo222]

I don't remember him saying that in the book either. However, their marriage had ended when the boys were only 5 months old so obviously Colin had moved on as people do after marriages break down. In the book Colin reveals at the party at his house the weekend before the murders Sheila seemed scared of Jeremy and wouldn't ask him for a lift home herself. Colin also reveals that Jeremy quizzed him at some length about Sheila's mental health problems for the first time which he saw as quite sinister in retrospect.

Why speculate?  You only need to watch the interview which Colin Caffell gave to ITN after the trial.  Colin talks of a postive future with Sheila and the boys.  In a nutshell she had everything to look forward to and what's more killer Jeremy Bamber knew it thus his comment to Julie Mugford just before he killed them all.  "Its tonight or never".

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/28/AS281086004/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

[jackiepreece]

Andrea I didn't word my last post very well I meant when Sheila asked Colin if they could get back together.
Do you know where this is written about because it must have come from Colin and do you know if this information was used at trial?

[goatboy]

I don't recall any mention of a conversation where Sheila and Colin discussed getting back together in Colin's book. Colin had a girlfriend called Heather at the time, it was mentioned that Sheila was romantically involved with Freddie (everywhere else but Colin's book mentioned that he was just a friend). Colin seems pretty convinced that though Sheila could behave erratically and violently any harm was done to herself, never to anyone else. That is why he was quick to believe she could have killed herself. However, when he was first told about the murders he assumed everyone had just been shot in their sleep. Like the rest of us Colin couldn't believe that she was skilled enough to hit the target so many times, nor could he believe for a moment that Sheila could have fought with Nevill and overpowered him. The angry letters from Jeremy published in the book are quite interesting. I think Jeremy couldn't bear the fact that Colin had become so calm and understanding about the murders, I think he wrote the letters to Colin to try to make Colin hate him. Interestingly enough, a letter from Bamber dated 1988 states that he had enough evidence together to challenge the conviction and he was adamant that he would be free soon. Nothing much changes, even 25 years on!

[Padgates staff]

Did the Bambers employ child minders?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-killer-says-he-adored-1153202
“I was always a ­mummy’s boy until I was seven or eight years old. We always had au pairs and a ­female housekeeper and Sheila so I was ­surrounded by women who ensured I got lots of love and ­attention.”

Or did the Mirror make it up?

[Myster]

Did the Bambers employ child minders?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bamber-killer-says-he-adored-1153202
“I was always a ­mummy’s boy until I was seven or eight years old. We always had au pairs and a ­female housekeeper and Sheila so I was ­surrounded by women who ensured I got lots of love and ­attention.”

Or did the Mirror make it up?

It's in quotation marks, so Bamber (not the Mirror) definitely made it up.

[starryian]

You could look at this two ways that if Jeremy was in fact innocent he didn't believe he could possibly be found guilty on just circumstantial

Obviously not well led by his barrister before being cross examined

If Jeremy had in fact killed his family I would have expected to see a much more scared Bamber in the dock knowing what the case against him was.  I still believe if there was a retrial today Jeremy would be found not guilty

The case is not proven 100% either way

No Jackie, not if Bamber is a psychopath. They do not react as normal individuals do. They are relatively free of fear, remorse, guilt, shame and of course, a conscience. Psychopaths are notorious for their arrogance and I believe Bamber fully thought he would get clean away with it. His actions in court and during recesses can only be described as self-assured to the point of arrogance. His own defense team had to remind him on several occasions of the severity of the proceedings. So your answer is self-serving and arrives at the destination you set before you asked it. I will let the words of Jeremy Bamber help you a little to arrive at a conclusion on this question. In a conversation Bamber had with Julie Mugford when telling her how he would like to "get rid of the whole bloody lot of them" just a few weeks prior to the murders, Mugford swore on oath that he had said quiet clearly " Of course I shall be the prime suspect, but they'll never be able to prove it" Arrogance indeed.

[Iggy68]

I've just read this over there>>>>
"the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident"-I know I shouldn't laugh but this is a classic! Epic even!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3770.msg152313/topicseen.html#msg152313

 
that was a good one

[Rachel Granada]

I've just read this over there>>>>
"the dog should have been questioned as it was the only reliable witness to the whole murder incident"-I know I shouldn't laugh but this is a classic! Epic even!
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3770.msg152313/topicseen.html#msg152313

The dog wouldn't know much as he hid under the bed.   

If he thought the dog could have said anything Jeremy would have murdered poor Crispy too. That is because Jeremy Bamber is a murdering s..mbag. If you can't be rude about a psycopathic convicted child killer who can you be rude about Lugg?

Didn't he shoot the dog too when nobody wanted it?

Had it been an intruder who had broken into the farmuse they would have shot the dog instantly.  Crispy knew it was not an intruder so went and hid when the gunfire started.

Hello, first post in this topic from a newbie!  That is an excellent point about the dog, and something I had not thought of before.  I believe that Jeremy Bamber was responsible for this shocking crime ... for many reasons. Anyone who is capable of trying to flog topless pictures of his recently murdered sister is capable of anything, in my opinion.

[John]

...and yes, Jeremy Bamber shot June Bamber's dog Crispy.   You could say Crispy was the 6th victim because Bamber couldn't live with the thought that the dog knew what he was capable of!

[Rachel Granada]

...and yes, Jeremy Bamber shot June Bamber's dog Crispy.   You could say Crispy was the 6th victim because Bamber couldn't live with the thought that the dog knew what he was capable of!

Oh John he didn't shoot the dog did he? I take it this was some time after the murders?

[John]

Not sure when but he didn't make much of an attempt to re-home her and nobody in the family wanted her.

What does surprise me a little is that he didn't shoot her on the night but maybe he couldn't find her.

[Rachel Granada]

Not sure when but he didn't make much of an attempt to re-home her and nobody in the family wanted her.

What does surprise me a little is that he didn't shoot her on the night but maybe he couldn't find her.

That's a real shame about what happened to the little dog.  She must have been petrified on that night.  Can I just say that I am in no way comparing this to what Sheila, Nevill, June and the boys went through on that night but I am an nuts about animals and feel sad about what happened to the little dog.

[starryian]

Hi Rachel,
The dog, a Shih Tzu bitch affectionately named 'Crispy' was known to be a lively, affectionate and loving dog , who was especially fond of Sheila and the twin boys. She was found cowering and shivering underneath the bed in the main bedroom where June and Sheila's bodies were found. She was the only living thing to emerge alive from White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985.
She was placed into the care of Jeremy Bamber the morning the murders were discovered. He angrily and callously retorted when offered the dog (we know this to be true because stunned policemen present actually heard him)
"I don't want that bloody thing in my house, he might chew all my wiring of my stereo system" Soon after the dog was either shot by Bamber or taken to be put down elsewhere. (I cannot confirm)
Such was the callous indifference this monster displayed towards this poor creature. There were suggestions that Farm Secretary, Barbara Wilson had volunteered to 'adopt' Crispy, but Bamber ignored her.

[puglove]

Hi Rachel,
The dog, a Shih Tzu bitch affectionately named 'Crispy' was known to be a lively, affectionate and loving dog , who was especially fond of Sheila and the twin boys. She was found cowering and shivering underneath the bed in the main bedroom where June and Sheila's bodies were found. She was the only living thing to emerge alive from White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985.
She was placed into the care of Jeremy Bamber the morning the murders were discovered. He angrily and callously retorted when offered the dog (we know this to be true because stunned policemen present actually heard him)
"I don't want that bloody thing in my house, he might chew all my wiring of my stereo system" Soon after the dog was either shot by Bamber or taken to be put down elsewhere. (I cannot confirm)
Such was the callous indifference this monster displayed towards this poor creature. There were suggestions that Farm Secretary, Barbara Wilson had volunteered to 'adopt' Crispy, but Bamber ignored her.

This is true. When Bamber, the family-loving tractor expert ( ) was asked to care for June's little traumatised dog, the last link to his Mum, he said "Get rid of it, have it put down, I hate the f..king thing." This was just a few days before he grubbed about and found photos of Sheila, and tried to sell them.