Jeremy Bamber - Unluckiest person in the world?

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,
The dog, a Shih Tzu bitch affectionately named 'Crispy' was known to be a lively, affectionate and loving dog , who was especially fond of Sheila and the twin boys. She was found cowering and shivering underneath the bed in the main bedroom where June and Sheila's bodies were found. She was the only living thing to emerge alive from White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985.
She was placed into the care of Jeremy Bamber the morning the murders were discovered. He angrily and callously retorted when offered the dog (we know this to be true because stunned policemen present actually heard him)
"I don't want that bloody thing in my house, he might chew all my wiring of my stereo system" Soon after the dog was either shot by Bamber or taken to be put down elsewhere. (I cannot confirm)
Such was the callous indifference this monster displayed towards this poor creature. There were suggestions that Farm Secretary, Barbara Wilson had volunteered to 'adopt' Crispy, but Bamber ignored her.

Hi starryian and thanks for the info.  I felt very upset reading about what happened to Crispy, sounds like she was a lovely little thing and a beloved family pet.   What a horrible thing for Bamber to say "I don't want that thing in my house".  If that was me, I would have clung to that little furry link to my family.  Your words "callous indifference" and "monster" sum Bamber up perfectly. 

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,
The dog, a Shih Tzu bitch affectionately named 'Crispy' was known to be a lively, affectionate and loving dog , who was especially fond of Sheila and the twin boys. She was found cowering and shivering underneath the bed in the main bedroom where June and Sheila's bodies were found. She was the only living thing to emerge alive from White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985.
She was placed into the care of Jeremy Bamber the morning the murders were discovered. He angrily and callously retorted when offered the dog (we know this to be true because stunned policemen present actually heard him)
"I don't want that bloody thing in my house, he might chew all my wiring of my stereo system" Soon after the dog was either shot by Bamber or taken to be put down elsewhere. (I cannot confirm)
Such was the callous indifference this monster displayed towards this poor creature. There were suggestions that Farm Secretary, Barbara Wilson had volunteered to 'adopt' Crispy, but Bamber ignored her.

This is true. When Bamber, the family-loving tractor expert ( ) was asked to care for June's little traumatised dog, the last link to his Mum, he said "Get rid of it, have it put down, I hate the f..king thing." This was just a few days before he grubbed about and found photos of Sheila, and tried to sell them.

Hi Shona, just another example of what a callous monster Bamber is, IMO. Again, if that was me, I would have clung onto that last link to my Mum and family.  He is just vile.  Poor Crispy :-(

[Outlook]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

Hi Outlook, I am pleased to hear that Crispy bit Bamber!  The callous way he treated his supposedly beloved Mum's dear pet doesn't quite square with that sickening blog he wrote recently about his family Xmas memories, does it? Cosy references to Xmas trees bought by Nevill,  "shopping with Mum" , and references to "our cat Thomas".  Trying to portray himself as a loving son devastated by the loss of his family.  he is a monster and I'm so glad that he will never get out.  It must be eating away at him that he so nearly got away with it!

[Outlook]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

Hi Outlook, I am pleased to hear that Crispy bit Bamber!  The callous way he treated his supposedly beloved Mum's dear pet doesn't quite square with that sickening blog he wrote recently about his family Xmas memories, does it? Cosy references to Xmas trees bought by Nevill,  "shopping with Mum" , and references to "our cat Thomas".  Trying to portray himself as a loving son devastated by the loss of his family.  he is a monster and I'm so glad that he will never get out.  It must be eating away at him that he so nearly got away with it!

Hi Rachel,  Yes a shame the bite didn't turn septic.  You know how upset dogs get over disturbances and to think of poor Crispy seeing all that and then being left in the house with the bodies.  It would drive a human insane let alone a dog.

I recall in the JB police interviews he even tried to blame Crispy for Sheila's death, saying the dog jumping around could have set off the gun.

Yes the Christmas message was sickening.  You should have heard the Bamberettes over that.  "Oh poor Jeremy, losing his family, not a trace of bitterness, he is so wonderful, Oh how I wept for him..."

Totally pathetic...

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

Hi Outlook, I am pleased to hear that Crispy bit Bamber!  The callous way he treated his supposedly beloved Mum's dear pet doesn't quite square with that sickening blog he wrote recently about his family Xmas memories, does it? Cosy references to Xmas trees bought by Nevill,  "shopping with Mum" , and references to "our cat Thomas".  Trying to portray himself as a loving son devastated by the loss of his family.  he is a monster and I'm so glad that he will never get out.  It must be eating away at him that he so nearly got away with it!

Hi Rachel,  Yes a shame the bite didn't turn septic.  You know how upset dogs get over disturbances and to think of poor Crispy seeing all that and then being left in the house with the bodies.  It would drive a human insane let alone a dog.

I recall in the JB police interviews he even tried to blame Crispy for Sheila's death, saying the dog jumping around could have set off the gun.

Yes the Christmas message was sickening.  You should have heard the Bamberettes over that.  "Oh poor Jeremy, losing his family, not a trace of bitterness, he is so wonderful, Oh how I wept for him..."

Totally pathetic...

Hi Outlook, well I have heard it all now - Bamber trying to blame Crispy for setting the gun off! That doesn't surprise me one bit, he is a psychopathic liar.  Yes, I felt sick when I read his horrible Xmas blog, cynically using memories of the family he killed to try and garner sympathy and make him look like a good guy. 

As we know, Bamber was correctly convicted on evidence and sentenced.  It's the other things as well though that point to what a vile man is he - trying to sell pics of Sheila and his callous treatment of Crispy.  How do his supporters manage to gloss over these things I wonder.

[Outlook]

Hi Rachel, Yes it is on page 51 of Bambers police interview of 10-12th September 1985.  I think that is the reason Crispy was not shot at the time to leave a remote possibility of a bizzare accident for the last shot.  Totally insane I know.

You can almost hear Stan Jones spluttering with disbelief at the idea.  These statements are never made available by Bamber's supporters as they are damming in the extreme.

Interestingly a few pages earlier Stan Jones brings up the issue of the number of magazines for the rifle.  I know I am indulging in speculation here and there is not the slightest evidence for a second magazine but clearly it was a question at the time and to me it solves the issue of the "extra ten bullets" and the strange idea that everyone stood around politely waiting for the assassin to reload before resuming the fight.

Incidentally this idea still works if people believe Sheila did it because the problem is more extreme in her case, no pockets in a nightie to store bullets so a second magazine would have been useful there.  The only problem in the case of Sheila is "Where is it?"

Although I am sure the Bamberettes have an answer for this.   

[Iggy68]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

 
Another lie perpertrated by the Pro-Bambers is that Jeremy is a big animal lover.... im just surprised that Jeremy didnt kill the dog on that very same night

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel, Yes it is on page 51 of Bambers police interview of 10-12th September 1985.  I think that is the reason Crispy was not shot at the time to leave a remote possibility of a bizzare accident for the last shot.  Totally insane I know.

You can almost hear Stan Jones spluttering with disbelief at the idea.  These statements are never made available by Bamber's supporters as they are damming in the extreme.

Interestingly a few pages earlier Stan Jones brings up the issue of the number of magazines for the rifle.  I know I am indulging in speculation here and there is not the slightest evidence for a second magazine but clearly it was a question at the time and to me it solves the issue of the "extra ten bullets" and the strange idea that everyone stood around politely waiting for the assassin to reload before resuming the fight.

Incidentally this idea still works if people believe Sheila did it because the problem is more extreme in her case, no pockets in a nightie to store bullets so a second magazine would have been useful there.  The only problem in the case of Sheila is "Where is it?"

Although I am sure the Bamberettes have an answer for this.   

Outlook, thanks for that - I was having a look through Bamber's statements earlier and hadn't got to this one yet. He was really clutching at straws, wasn't he! Yes, very telling that these statements are not made available by Bamber's supporters. 

Still trying to get my head round the bullets issue, very interesting.

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

 
Another lie perpertrated by the Pro-Bambers is that Jeremy is a big animal lover.... im just surprised that Jeremy didnt kill the dog on that very same night

Hello Iggy.  Yes, Bamber's treatment of poor Crispy doesn't quite gel with his carefully constructed "nice guy" image, does it.  I've been reading some of the risible "testimonials" on the official Bamber site... one of which has been penned by someone who has never met Bamber but has concluded that he "couldn't have done it" on the strength of a few letters and phone calls. 

[starryian]

Yes Bamber's treatment of animals was appalling.
If he shot Crispy, it was in the suspicion that the dog may have been tempted to grass him up. Bamber's reasoning? Dead dogs don't testify. His suggestion in the police statement that Crispy may have pulled the trigger is just as absurd.
 

[Outlook]

Yes Bamber's treatment of animals was appalling.
If he shot Crispy, it was in the suspicion that the dog may have been tempted to grass him up. Bamber's reasoning? Dead dogs don't testify. His suggestion in the police statement that Crispy may have pulled the trigger is just as absurd.
 

I think it is exactly that,  Crispy was not shot at the time of the murders in the bizarre hope she could be used as an excuse for the second shot to Sheila's neck, but Crispy was having none of that so Jeremy later shot Crispy before she could testify.  8-)(--)

This is as sane as some of Tesco's theories, but I am not serious.     I like to think I am funny but I am really just irritating.

The issue with the bullets is just that there are too many of them.  35 left in a pack of 50 but 25 were fired so where did the other ten come from?  Any possible scenario requires at least two short sessions to reload so everyone has to stand around politely waiting for the assassin to reload before starting the fight again.  Sheila was proved to be "clean" and her nails were intact so she did not reload anything.  A magazine holds ten rounds so whilst I accept this is purely speculation (which is banned on this forum), to me, a second preloaded magazine is the only explanation.  The assassin disposes of this spare magazine as he has lots of time and opportunity.  Sheila could not dispose of anything because she was dead.  Also the first shot killed her so she is totally innocent.

[John]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

 
Another lie perpertrated by the Pro-Bambers is that Jeremy is a big animal lover.... im just surprised that Jeremy didnt kill the dog on that very same night

He probably couldn't find the dog to shoot it that night and in any event the clock was ticking in his great master-plan.  Bamber knew that the dog saw what he had done that night and it probably got on his nerves.  he certainly didn't want that dog around.  Had he made any effort Crispy could have been re-homed but that wasn't good enough...she had to die!

The first shot wouldn't have killed her Outlook but it effectively paralysed her and most probably stunned her.  The second shot was needed to end her life, Bamber couldn't possibly take the risk that the paramedics or ambulancemen as they were in 1985 could revive her long enough to save her life.

Just had a thought on this. Was it necessary that Jeremy Bamber delay the police and first-aiders from gaining access to the farmhouse?  The longer he kept them out the safer it was for him surely?

[Rachel Granada]

Hi Rachel,

Quite correct, Crispy was the only surviving witness.  Ann Eaton's statement relates that Crispy was extremely traumatized and (you will be pleased to know) bit Jeremy.  Jeremy later had Crispy killed.  Someone told me that Jeremy shot Crispy (as vets do not normally put down healthy animals).  He silenced the only witness!  A big mistake as doubtlessly Crispy would have been a defence witness and could have cleared Jeremy.  (Wait until this appears on Tesco Towers)!   

I related this to some of the Bamberettes and got a stunned silence because in spite of their supposed knowledge of the case they have never read the witness statements.  Eventually the normal response emerged.  "Oh poor Jeremy, the dog must have been old and cranky and he was doing it a favour!"  "Maybe it had no teeth, you have to shoot them when they are like that."  They really are staggeringly loopy.

Has anyone noticed that the spellchecker translates "Bamberettes" as "Barbarities"?  A nice coincidence!

 
Another lie perpertrated by the Pro-Bambers is that Jeremy is a big animal lover.... im just surprised that Jeremy didnt kill the dog on that very same night

He probably couldn't find the dog to shoot it that night and in any event the clock was ticking in his great master-plan.  Bamber knew that the dog saw what he had done that night and it probably got on his nerves.  he certainly didn't want that dog around.  Had he made any effort Crispy could have been re-homed but that wasn't good enough...she had to die!

The first shot wouldn't have killed her Outlook but it effectively paralysed her and most probably stunned her.  The second shot was needed to end her life, Bamber couldn't possibly take the risk that the paramedics or ambulancemen as they were in 1985 could revive her long enough to save her life.

John, you are more than likely right that Bamber would have shot poor Crispy on that terrilble night if he could have found her. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... had Bamber been the "good guy" that he has spent years trying to cultivate to his groupies, then he would have cherished Crispy as the last link to his dear Mum and family. Instead, it seems that he shot Crispy himself or had her put down.

As for his vile attempts to frame poor Sheila... this case is just so upsetting, even 28 years on.  I am just so sorry for the extended family and what they have had to suffer, not only the loss of June, Nevill, Sheila and the boys but also Bamber's attempts to point suspicion on them.

[goatboy]

What annoys me is the Bamber supporters' continued insistance that JB and the police saw a figure in the window when they arrived. If this was the case why was more not made of this at the trial? Wasn't that a perfect alibi for Jeremy? Why do the Bamber supporters claim the sighting of the figure at the window was the reason why the firearms team were called, when the real reason for the instruction of the firearms team was because Bamber had painted a picture of a mentally unstable woman in a house full of guns posing a threat to the life of the other occupants? I personally think Bamber pretended to notice it which obviously spooked the police officers (who had no reason to doubt his story at the time).