Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Mr Gray]

You could say the same in the Shannon Matthews case.  If the child was still missing  I do believe we'd have a whole bunch of people convinced she died in that bedroom, wouldn't we?

plus of course,,,cadaver dogs are only taken to sites where poeple are believed dead or missing...perhaps if they were taken to every missing person site....

[slartibartfast]

not sure if you actually read this forum...how long were the dogs allowed to reconsider in 5a when in most cases they failed to alert...in other apartments where they failed to alert were they just brought staright out..


particularly with the alleged alert to CC...the opinion of the PJ officers who watched the dogs and had doubts...with Grime saying the alerts have no evidential value....my opinion that the alerts are basically valueless has some basis

As Brietta said...

In my opinion amateur interpretation of any points of interest shown by Eddie in Luz are very much a case of running before learning to walk.

[Mr Gray]

As Brietta said...

but I dont agree with Briietta for  obvious reasons......we all have the right to question professional opinion..post shipman

[Robittybob1]

there will be no mileage whatsoever...its a celestial teapot argumnet...and all you have to support your beliefs

Where is the IMO ? 

[faithlilly]

but I dont agree with Briietta for  obvious reasons......we all have the right to question professional opinion..post shipman

Would you be questioning Grime’s professional opinion if his dogs hadn’t alerted in 5a ?

[G-Unit]

Would you be questioning Grime’s professional opinion if his dogs hadn’t alerted in 5a ?

Imagine if they'd alerted to Murat's house and car!

[Robittybob1]

Imagine if they'd alerted to Murat's house and car!

Hopefully he would be consistent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Imagine if they'd alerted to Murat's house and car!

Do you think perhaps in such a circumstance they same arguments would still be raging 11 years on, but with the sides of the debate reversed?

[G-Unit]

Do you think perhaps in such a circumstance they same arguments would still be raging 11 years on, but with the sides of the debate reversed?

In my opinion those who support the McCanns would be supporting the alerts. Those who don't wouldn't be suggesting he'd eaten pork crackling before the dogs arrived.

[Brietta]

Do you think perhaps in such a circumstance they same arguments would still be raging 11 years on, but with the sides of the debate reversed?

That is an interesting thought though.

First of all there would have to have been a trial and it would have been interesting indeed to see what supporting evidence would have been presented.

Would Amaral have talked himself into getting the sack ... or would he have become the unassailable hero cop who had solved two 'murders' ... and who would therefore not have embarked on his career as an author or as a media pundit whose specialist subject was vilifying the McCanns.

Therefore in my opinion, all things considered, I don't think there would be any discussion at all.  But eleven years down the line Madeleine would still be missing.

[faithlilly]

That is an interesting thought though.

First of all there would have to have been a trial and it would have been interesting indeed to see what supporting evidence would have been presented.

Would Amaral have talked himself into getting the sack ... or would he have become the unassailable hero cop who had solved two 'murders' ... and who would therefore not have embarked on his career as an author or as a media pundit whose specialist subject was vilifying the McCanns.

Therefore in my opinion, all things considered, I don't think there would be any discussion at all.  But eleven years down the line Madeleine would still be missing.

Why would there have to be a trial ? There wasn’t one when the dogs alerted to items connected to the McCanns. If it was Murat would the alerts gain more significance than with the McCanns ?

[Brietta]

Why would there have to be a trial ? There wasn’t one when the dogs alerted to items connected to the McCanns. If it was Murat would the alerts gain more significance than with the McCanns ?

Without supporting evidence the reactions of the dogs would have exactly the same significance in both cases you mention ... in my opinion.

[faithlilly]

Without supporting evidence the reactions of the dogs would have exactly the same significance in both cases you mention ... in my opinion.

So this from you ‘First of all there would have to have been a trial ‘ is not true ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion those who support the McCanns would be supporting the alerts. Those who don't wouldn't be suggesting he'd eaten pork crackling before the dogs arrived.

What would they be suggesting instead then, those who don't support the McCanns?

[Alice Purjorick]

Would you be questioning Grime’s professional opinion if his dogs hadn’t alerted in 5a ?

The judge asked a similar question in the Cartmel horse racing "swindle".
"Had Gay Future not won would the case have been brought"