Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Mr Gray]

We are told by Grime that Eddie’s behaviour changed profoundly when entering 5a. Obviously that didn’t happen when entering the other apartments.

so why did it change...grime doesnt give us any reason...perhaps picking something up from grime. What we have now is grime reading doggie body language...

whatever you say grime wasnt sure enough to say in his opinion it was cadaver scent...so ..still...no confirmation...lots of innuendo but tahts it

[Mr Gray]

Anyone who thinks otherwise does not understand  the, evidence



What actual evidence is there - that mccanns are innocent, none.

What actual evidence is there - that maddie was abducted, none.

the "evidence" of the dogs...seeing as taht is what we are talking about

[kizzy]

the "evidence" of the dogs...seeing as taht is what we are talking about

Yes but that doesn't make the mccanns innocent ,does it.

The way you are going on , is as if it does.

[faithlilly]

Has it?   How would you train a cadaver dog not to alert to something that he is trained to alert to such as blood?  Grime himself says the cadaver scent remains,   so could the scent of blood.

Of course it has.

How can I put this as simply as possible Lace. Grime, who is the expert, says that Eddie alerts to cadaver scent and dried blood from a living person. Keela alerts to dried blood from a living person even if there has been attempts to wash that blood away. Both Eddie and Keela smell the blood. However, and this is the important part, Keela didn’t smell blood in the bedroom of apartment 5a so didn’t alert. Eddie alerted and we know it wasn't to the scent of blood because if it had been Keela would have alerted ergo it must have been to the other scent he was trained to alert to ie cadaver scent.

[faithlilly]

so why did it change...grime doesnt give us any reason...perhaps picking something up from grime. What we have now is grime reading doggie body language...

whatever you say grime wasnt sure enough to say in his opinion it was cadaver scent...so ..still...no confirmation...lots of innuendo but tahts it

Reading Eddie’s reactions is exactly what Grime did. Didn’t you know that that’s exactly what he was supposed to do ?

Without further evidence as a professional Grime couldn’t say that the alerts were any more than suggestive. It’s ridiculous to suggest that that means he didn’t have absolute faith in his dogs and their capabilities.

[Carana]

Of course it has.

How can I put this as simply as possible Lace. Grime, who is the expert, says that Eddie alerts to cadaver scent and dried blood from a living person. Keela alerts to dried blood from a living person even if there has been attempts to wash that blood away. Both Eddie and Keela smell the blood. However, and this is the important part, Keela didn’t smell blood in the bedroom of apartment 5a so didn’t alert. Eddie alerted and we know it wasn't to the scent of blood because if it had been Keela would have alerted ergo it must have been to the other scent he was trained to alert to ie cadaver scent.

Faith, if I agreed with you on this point, I'd say so. However, I don't.

Grime stated that Keela would only react to the PHYSICAL trace of blood. If blood wasn't physically present, she wouldn't react.

He never said that Eddie also required the physical presence of blood in order to alert, but he did say that he could react to lingering odours in the air.

That's why I find the much touted matrix of K + E = x or y, K - E = y, E - K = z to be simplistic.

[Lace]

Of course it has.

How can I put this as simply as possible Lace. Grime, who is the expert, says that Eddie alerts to cadaver scent and dried blood from a living person. Keela alerts to dried blood from a living person even if there has been attempts to wash that blood away. Both Eddie and Keela smell the blood. However, and this is the important part, Keela didn’t smell blood in the bedroom of apartment 5a so didn’t alert. Eddie alerted and we know it wasn't to the scent of blood because if it had been Keela would have alerted ergo it must have been to the other scent he was trained to alert to ie cadaver scent.

If you want to be rude.   How can I put this as simply as possible Faithlilly.

Keela didn't smell blood in the bedroom as there was no blood present for her to smell.

[Lace]

Do you have evidence of Eddie being 'rushed' or is that just your (non-expert) opinion?

You've seen the video's.

[Mr Gray]

So are you saying you know why it happened?

I've posted it.... The digs were repeatedly  brought back to places they had ignored.... Why did they ignore them in the first place... Why did they not react

[faithlilly]

Faith, if I agreed with you on this point, I'd say so. However, I don't.

Grime stated that Keela would only react to the PHYSICAL trace of blood. If blood wasn't physically present, she wouldn't react.

He never said that Eddie also required the physical presence of blood in order to alert, but he did say that he could react to lingering odours in the air.

That's why I find the much touted matrix of K + E = x or y, K - E = y, E - K = z to be simplistic.

Carana how do you think Keela finds blood ?

[barrier]

If you want to be rude.   How can I put this as simply as possible Faithlilly.

Keela didn't smell blood in the bedroom as there was no blood present for her to smell.

So therefore Eddie alerted to the other discipline he was trained in.

[Mr Gray]

So therefore Eddie alerted to the other discipline he was trained in.

Perhaps he did... Perhaps he didn't... Who knows...

[Lace]

Carana how do you think Keela finds blood ?

Keela finds blood that is present in the room,  she does not alert to the scent of blood that had BEEN in the room and removed from the room on clothes for example.

[Carana]

Carana how do you think Keela finds blood ?

Contrary to the aficionados of the "matrix" theory, my understanding is that Eddie was the GP (detecting something of potential interest in x general area). Keela was the blood specialist, trained solely to find physical traces of blood (the blood specialist).

I find that to be an interesting combo, in theory. One could detect a large area of potential interest, and the other was trained solely to zoom in to hopefully pinpoint where exploitable forensic evidence of blood (a physical trace) might be.

In this particular case, however, nothing of interest was found.

In a less publicised case, the public may never have even known about the dog inspections... but that's history.

[G-Unit]

You've seen the video's.

Can you provide a cite that these various videos are the same as the official videos? Can you provide evidence of your expertise on the correct usage of police dogs?

This thread is about 'sceptics' misunderstanding evidence. In my opinion certain people can't even identify evidence, let alone assess it.