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Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1230 on: March 23, 2018, 10:24:49 AM »
Where would you say  (geographically speaking) there is the most interest in this case?

Rothley , Skipton and Ullapool at a guess
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1231 on: March 23, 2018, 10:27:41 AM »
Do you now accept you are wrong rob
In the quote Carana gave it just mentioned blood not cadaver odour.  So no I'm not wrong yet.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1232 on: March 23, 2018, 10:29:37 AM »
Rothley , Skipton and Ullapool at a guess
Right, the UK, I would say that was the correct answer.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1233 on: March 23, 2018, 10:30:08 AM »
I thought you might like the publicity  8(>((
Not particularly, but thanks for your efforts.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1234 on: March 23, 2018, 10:31:06 AM »
In the quote Carana gave it just mentioned blood not cadaver odour.  So no I'm not wrong yet.

It isn't ignorance  that is the enemy of knowledge it's the presumption of knowledge

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1235 on: March 23, 2018, 10:34:20 AM »
If I'm right about the McCann team accepting that there was cadaver odour found in the apartment and the car we have a new issue, as to why they accepted that as an undisputed fact.

You seem to be talking about cadaver odour here.... And in your other posts

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1236 on: March 23, 2018, 10:38:35 AM »
There's no more questions and the Judge is about to dismiss the plaintiff when GMC claims that he has something to say.

The judge says that in a civil trial the parties aren't allowed to spontaneous depositions. But she allows him: please do speak!

GMC says that he wants to make a comment about the dogs; he wants to make it clear that it is not a fact that they detected blood...

The judge interrupts him – The issue here isn't not to elucidate what actually happened. The perspective, in this trial, is to determine whether the book and the documentary affected the plaintiffs.

GMC – But the book mentions facts that aren't true.


The judge – The point isn't to establish whether things are true or not, this is not the issue. We want to know whether we are in the juridical remit of offence to persons. For this it's not necessary to know what the truth is. As a judge I'm not supposed to stand in for a criminal investigation.

And so it ended
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Gerry_McCann_08_07_2014.htm
This argument only mentions blood.  Nothing about cadaver odour.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1237 on: March 23, 2018, 10:40:46 AM »
You seem to be talking about cadaver odour here.... And in your other posts
See Carana's post does it talk about cadaver odour?
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1238 on: March 23, 2018, 10:56:50 AM »
See Carana's post does it talk about cadaver odour?

No, it doesn't. However:

"GMC says that he wants to make a comment about the dogs; he wants to make it clear that it is not a fact that they detected blood...

The judge interrupts him."

If that is an accurate rendering, he wasn't given time to finish his point.

Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1239 on: March 23, 2018, 10:57:21 AM »
The one I posted a link to previously.post no 1127 if memory serves.

However in my opinion there is going to be a somewhat murky trail to get all the finances sorted out the least of which is historical in nature and well predates the McCann family setting foot on Portuguese soil.

One of the cases to which I referred earlier http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7920.msg383692#msg383692 is pretty small beer in comparison to the accusation that you have fabricated your daughter's abduction and hidden her body:


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However, according to the assessment made by the court, the estate of Gonçalo Amaral does not provide sufficient guarantees for payment in case of conviction. Olhão's house - which she bought with her wife in 2002 with a loan from the BIC but is registered only in her name - was arrested in 2005 due to a debt of around 130 thousand euros.

A year later, the National Treasury registered an attachment on the house as guarantee of payment of 16900 euros. Finally, two years ago, it was BES (to which BIC belongs now) to file an executive action against the couple to collect more than 300,000 euros - a new attachment.
The book "Maddie - The truth of the Lie" was released in July 2008 and in the following two months, until the end of September, it had 12 editions, or 120,000 copies. However, in September, also by court decision, its sale had already been banned.

Gonçalo Amaral retired from the Judicial Police in June last year, after 26 years of service. At the time, he said he was leaving to have "full freedom of expression" after being removed months earlier from the investigation into the disappearance of the English child due to statements made to the media. Currently, Amaral receives a pension for early retirement of 2039 euros.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/arquivo/tribunal-fica-com-jaguar-de-goncalo-amaral=f544234


Therefore in my opinion the sceptics have understood nothing as far as the evidence in this case goes with most of the inbuilt prejudices and misconceptions directed at the McCann family arising from a lack of knowledge.

The evidence is there that Goncalo Amaral was living way beyond his means prior to 2005 and the evidence is there that sceptics are of the belief that it was the McCanns who drove him into penury.

The evidence is there that Martin Grime has attested that dog indications have to be proven by forensic evidence; but the sceptics know better and instead prefer to follow other theories which do not have a shred of supporting evidence.

Have sceptics looked beyond what they have been assured is evidence ... or have they dug a bit deeper for more information to inform their opinion?
In my opinion they have not -  therefore their misunderstanding and misinterpretation of whatever evidence there is.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1240 on: March 23, 2018, 11:13:34 AM »
No, it doesn't. However:

"GMC says that he wants to make a comment about the dogs; he wants to make it clear that it is not a fact that they detected blood...

The judge interrupts him."

If that is an accurate rendering, he wasn't given time to finish his point.
We don't know then do we?
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Offline barrier

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1241 on: March 23, 2018, 11:25:23 AM »
The evidence is there that Martin Grime has attested that dog indications have to be proven by forensic evidence; but the sceptics know better and instead prefer to follow other theories which do not have a shred of supporting evidence.

Have sceptics looked beyond what they have been assured is evidence ... or have they dug a bit deeper for more information to inform their opinion?
In my opinion they have not -  therefore their misunderstanding and misinterpretation of whatever evidence there is.

Much like Scotland Yard when it allowed its officers to be photographed scrambling around the Portuguese countryside in the hot sun in pursuit of nothing, all imo of course.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1242 on: March 23, 2018, 11:28:03 AM »
Much like Scotland Yard when it allowed its officers to be photographed scrambling around the Portuguese countryside in the hot sun in pursuit of nothing, all imo of course.
How can you possibly be in a position to make any judgement at all about what they may or may not have been looking for?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1243 on: March 23, 2018, 11:30:27 AM »
How can you possibly be in a position to make any judgement at all about what they may or may not have been looking for?

Probably in a similar position to those who have a view on the original PJ investigation.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1244 on: March 23, 2018, 11:32:53 AM »
Probably in a similar position to those who have a view on the original PJ investigation.
Incorrect.  We know far more about the original PJ investigation thanks to the copious case files released to the public.  We know next to nothing about the current investigation.  Big difference.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".