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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1395 on: March 28, 2018, 09:15:10 AM »
including inventing the scenario that the child died in the apartment and her body carried through PdL, or that the body was kept frozen and transported in the hire car 23 days later.

Those were attempts to explain evidence. Where is the evidence of bloody socks and plasters? There is none, they are figments of someone's imagination.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1396 on: March 28, 2018, 09:18:09 AM »
Those were attempts to explain evidence. Where is the evidence of bloody socks and plasters? There is none, they are figments of someone's imagination.

As is the claim you made are Grimes statement... Grime said the alerts, we're suggestive and possible.... He did not confirm any cadaver alerts

You can't really pontificate on evidence when you have misunderstood  Grimes evidence yourself
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1397 on: March 28, 2018, 10:25:04 AM »
As is the claim you made are Grimes statement... Grime said the alerts, we're suggestive and possible.... He did not confirm any cadaver alerts

You can't really pontificate on evidence when you have misunderstood  Grimes evidence yourself

Just because you have interpreted Grime's statement differently than me doesn't make your interpretation correct, so please stop pretending it is.

Interpreting existing evidence is one thing. Inventing evidence which doesn't exist is quite a different thing.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1398 on: March 28, 2018, 10:31:45 AM »
Just because you have interpreted Grime's statement differently than me doesn't make your interpretation correct, so please stop pretending it is.

Interpreting existing evidence is one thing. Inventing evidence which doesn't exist is quite a different thing.

I'm not pretending anything... I haven't interpreted Grimes, statement I've, stated it factually

He said the alerts were suggestive or possibly to cadaver odour.... He did not say in his opinion the, alerts we're triggered by cadaver odour... That is what you said and you are totally incorrect... You show you do not understand the evidence

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1399 on: March 28, 2018, 10:42:45 AM »
I'm not pretending anything... I haven't interpreted Grimes, statement I've, stated it factually

He said the alerts were suggestive or possibly to cadaver odour.... He did not say in his opinion the, alerts we're triggered by cadaver odour... That is what you said and you are totally incorrect... You show you do not understand the evidence

All we know is what was in his statement, on the balance of probabilities Grime saying it was suggestive of cadaver odour is more likely to mean he thought it was rather than he thought it wasn’t.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1400 on: March 28, 2018, 10:56:53 AM »
All we know is what was in his statement, on the balance of probabilities Grime saying it was suggestive of cadaver odour is more likely to mean he thought it was rather than he thought it wasn’t.

That is not true... Grime never mentioned the balance of probabilities.. And he never said it was more likely than not... Which shows you don't understand  the evidence... You are now telling us as a fact what Grime thought... Best if we go by what he said not what some think he thought
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1401 on: March 28, 2018, 11:16:57 AM »
I'm not pretending anything... I haven't interpreted Grimes, statement I've, stated it factually

He said the alerts were suggestive or possibly to cadaver odour.... He did not say in his opinion the, alerts we're triggered by cadaver odour... That is what you said and you are totally incorrect... You show you do not understand the evidence

Arguing about meanings involves interpretation. How are you interpreting the word 'suggestive'?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1402 on: March 28, 2018, 11:33:22 AM »
Arguing about meanings involves interpretation. How are you interpreting the word 'suggestive'?

We can't interpret it... We don't know exactly what it means.... It certainly  means not certain... As you claimed... He also used the word possible... So that  gives us more information
How do you interpret suggestive

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1403 on: March 28, 2018, 11:43:07 AM »
We can't interpret it... We don't know exactly what it means.... It certainly  means not certain... As you claimed... He also used the word possible... So that  gives us more information
How do you interpret suggestive

I never said he was certain - unless you have a cite?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1404 on: March 28, 2018, 11:48:18 AM »
We can't interpret it... We don't know exactly what it means.... It certainly  means not certain... As you claimed... He also used the word possible... So that  gives us more information
How do you interpret suggestive

We don’t know what Grime thinks, purely what he wrote in a legal document.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1405 on: March 28, 2018, 11:54:30 AM »
We don’t know what Grime thinks, purely what he wrote in a legal document.
Then look at your post again

He never talked of balance of probability and not of being suggestive of more likely  than not... As you have posted

Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1406 on: March 28, 2018, 01:46:47 PM »
We don’t know what Grime thinks, purely what he wrote in a legal document.

What do you think stands inspection in a legal setting such as a court ~ uncorroborated conjecture ~ or the content of a legal document contributed by a police officer who knew exactly what the rules of the game are?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1407 on: March 28, 2018, 02:47:39 PM »
Then look at your post again

He never talked of balance of probability and not of being suggestive of more likely  than not... As you have posted

He must have had some opinion of how suggestive of cadaver odour it was.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1408 on: March 28, 2018, 02:53:31 PM »
He must have had some opinion of how suggestive of cadaver odour it was.
Of course he did.... But no one here knows yet posters, are making assumptions

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1409 on: March 28, 2018, 06:35:18 PM »
Those were attempts to explain evidence. Where is the evidence of bloody socks and plasters? There is none, they are figments of someone's imagination.
Where is the evidence of corpses in the apartment and frozen cadaver in the car, out of interest?
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