Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Mr Gray]

I am not actually accusing anyone if you read it carefully.  I'm saying how can you rule it out?  I know it has happened before when drugs are administered by different people and the combined dosage is what does the damage.

you are absolutely right ..it cannot be ruled out...just as alien abduction cannot be ruled out..

overdosage of paracetamol takes days to kill...so if maddie was ok at 5.30.pm.   I think we can rule it out

[Robittybob1]

you are absolutely right ..it cannot be ruled out...just as alien abduction cannot be ruled out..

overdosage of paracetamol takes days to kill...so if maddie was ok at 5.30.pm.   I think we can rule it out

But what you can't rule out is that someone seeing Madeleine in a distressed state and taking her to get medical or palliative treatment.

[Carana]

The dogs were brought in on the advice of the NPIA's National Search Adviser. The dog's handler was the leading UK expert on training, handling and deploying search dogs. They organised, directed and carried out the searches, not the PJ. Any criticisms, therefore, are criticisms of the best the UK had to offer in my opinion.

The leading UK expert? Perhaps he was, but according to whom?

[Carana]

But what you can't rule out is that someone seeing Madeleine in a distressed state and taking her to get medical or palliative treatment.

If someone had sedated her up to the eyeballs prior to bedtime I don't see how she would have been wandering around, but anyway.

If she'd walked and wandered in a distressed state, as you suggest, and had taken her for medical care... assuming someone wouldn't have administered first aid while phoning for an ambulannce... then what? A doctor, medical clinic or hospital simply forgot that a young child had died and didn't bother to contact the police?

What do you mean by taking her for palliative care as opposed to emergency medical assistance?

I suppose there's a remote possibility that she woke and wandered and was the victim of a hit-and-run... who then came back to pick her up, but what evidence would one expect to find if that had been the case? And was any found to support that theory?

[misty]

The leading UK expert? Perhaps he was, but according to whom?

I think Mick Swindells would have something to say about that, especially as he is still deploying dogs.

http://searchdogsuk.co.uk/photo-gallery/

[Carana]

I think Mick Swindells would have something to say about that, especially as he is still deploying dogs.

http://searchdogsuk.co.uk/photo-gallery/

Or John Ellis

http://www-old.hud.ac.uk/news/2014/august/forensicsresearchtomakecadaverdogsmoreefficient.php

They were still trying to identify what dogs actually react to in 2014.

[Robittybob1]

If someone had sedated her up to the eyeballs prior to bedtime I don't see how she would have been wandering around, but anyway.

If she'd walked and wandered in a distressed state, as you suggest, and had taken her for medical care... assuming someone wouldn't have administered first aid while phoning for an ambulannce... then what? A doctor, medical clinic or hospital simply forgot that a young child had died and didn't bother to contact the police?

What do you mean by taking her for palliative care as opposed to emergency medical assistance?

I suppose there's a remote possibility that she woke and wandered and was the victim of a hit-and-run... who then came back to pick her up, but what evidence would one expect to find if that had been the case? And was any found to support that theory?

Smithman goes up to LuzDoc  (it was closed) and then somewhere else.  Palliative care is just like nursing her.  Looking after her in other words.

[ShiningInLuz]

I think Mick Swindells would have something to say about that, especially as he is still deploying dogs.

http://searchdogsuk.co.uk/photo-gallery/

If you have other links to how VR dogs are trained and tested, I would be most grateful if you would post them.

I want to train our new puppy, Gonçalo, as a VR dog.  Before anyone chucks in the usual insults, I don't expect ever to deploy Gonçalo as a VR dog.  I simply want to learn about the hands-on practical aspects of training and testing such a dog.

TY.

[Robittybob1]

Or John Ellis

http://www-old.hud.ac.uk/news/2014/august/forensicsresearchtomakecadaverdogsmoreefficient.php

They were still trying to identify what dogs actually react to in 2014.

I think it will be like wine tasting - a finely tuned pallet.  The dogs will need a good memory for all the correct odour combinations that make up human cadaver odour.

[Robittybob1]

If someone had sedated her up to the eyeballs prior to bedtime I don't see how she would have been wandering around, but anyway.

If she'd walked and wandered in a distressed state, as you suggest, and had taken her for medical care... assuming someone wouldn't have administered first aid while phoning for an ambulannce... then what? A doctor, medical clinic or hospital simply forgot that a young child had died and didn't bother to contact the police?

What do you mean by taking her for palliative care as opposed to emergency medical assistance?

I suppose there's a remote possibility that she woke and wandered and was the victim of a hit-and-run... who then came back to pick her up, but what evidence would one expect to find if that had been the case? And was any found to support that theory?

The only evidence was that cars had left from outside the secondary reception, around the time of Kate's alert.  (Arlindo's statement.)

[G-Unit]

I think Mick Swindells would have something to say about that, especially as he is still deploying dogs.

http://searchdogsuk.co.uk/photo-gallery/

His opinion wasn't required, Grime was recommended by the NPIA National Search Adviser.

[barrier]

The leading UK expert? Perhaps he was, but according to whom?

By the very same people who suggest that the MET are using their "expertise" in not solving the mystery of the disappearance, perchance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Smithman goes up to LuzDoc  (it was closed) and then somewhere else.  Palliative care is just like nursing her.  Looking after her in other words.

Palliative care is what is sometimes administered to those with a terminal illness, over a period of time usually.  Are you suggesting that Madeleine was secretly whisked away because she was terminally ill and taken somewhere unknown to be looked after by persons unknown in her dying days?

[jassi]

Ooh look- a new conspiracy theory, just for Easter   

[sadie]

Smithman goes up to LuzDoc  (it was closed) and then somewhere else.  Palliative care is just like nursing her.  Looking after her in other words.

Nah, imo, he almost certainly didn't go to LuzDoc, Rob. 

Martin Smith and his group were standing right outside LuzDocs  .... and would have noticed.   The two other parts of the family were not far away either and looking in that general direction