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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1470 on: March 30, 2018, 10:33:09 AM »
If you have other links to how VR dogs are trained and tested, I would be most grateful if you would post them.

I want to train our new puppy, Gonçalo, as a VR dog.  Before anyone chucks in the usual insults, I don't expect ever to deploy Gonçalo as a VR dog.  I simply want to learn about the hands-on practical aspects of training and testing such a dog.

TY.

What are, you going  to train him with... Pork chops

Just google the topic... There is lots of information  online

If rob could train a blood dog you could meet in luz and solve the case
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1471 on: March 30, 2018, 10:35:01 AM »
What are, you going  to train him with... Pork chops
Hopefully not human remains!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1472 on: March 30, 2018, 10:44:33 AM »
What are, you going  to train him with... Pork chops

Just google the topic... There is lots of information  online
Pork chops sounds fine as I am struggling to think where I might get my hands on decomposing piglets.

And to VS, AFAIK human remains are illegal in Portugal, just as they are in the UK.

So it's pork chops until I can find the nearest pig farm for some piglets.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1473 on: March 30, 2018, 10:49:49 AM »
Pork chops sounds fine as I am struggling to think where I might get my hands on decomposing piglets.

And to VS, AFAIK human remains are illegal in Portugal, just as they are in the UK.

So it's pork chops until I can find the nearest pig farm for some piglets.
If you make friends with a local pig farmer he'll probably provide you with the odd dead piglet now and again.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1474 on: March 30, 2018, 10:51:38 AM »
Pork chops sounds fine as I am struggling to think where I might get my hands on decomposing piglets.

And to VS, AFAIK human remains are illegal in Portugal, just as they are in the UK.

So it's pork chops until I can find the nearest pig farm for some piglets.
You'll be making a mistake if you use pork chops IMO.  Any pig farm will have dead piglets. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1475 on: March 30, 2018, 10:53:05 AM »
Nah, imo, he almost certainly didn't go to LuzDoc, Rob. 

Martin Smith and his group were standing right outside LuzDocs  .... and would have noticed.   The two other parts of the family were not far away either and looking in that general direction
If it is closed it is closed.
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Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1476 on: March 30, 2018, 10:53:24 AM »
Is this thread morphing into " Handy Hints for the Amateur Dog Trainer" ?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1477 on: March 30, 2018, 10:56:39 AM »
Palliative care is what is sometimes administered to those with a terminal illness, over a period of time usually.  Are you suggesting that Madeleine was secretly whisked away because she was terminally ill and taken somewhere unknown to be looked after by persons unknown in her dying days?
That would be a narrow meaning of the word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliative_care
 "Palliative care is provided by a team of physicians, nurses, physiotherapists, occupational therapists and other health professionals who work together with the primary care physician and referred specialists and other hospital or hospice staff to provide additional support. It is appropriate at any age and at any stage in a serious illness and can be provided as the main goal of care or along with curative treatment. Although it is an important part of end-of-life care, it is not limited to that stage. Palliative care can be provided across multiple settings including in hospitals, at home, as part of community palliative care programs, and in skilled nursing facilities. Interdisciplinary palliative care teams work with people and their families to clarify goals of care and provide symptom management, psycho-social, and spiritual support."
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1478 on: March 30, 2018, 11:06:48 AM »
That would be a narrow meaning of the word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliative_care
 "Palliative care is provided by a team of physicians, nurses, physiotherapists, occupational therapists and other health professionals who work together with the primary care physician and referred specialists and other hospital or hospice staff to provide additional support. It is appropriate at any age and at any stage in a serious illness and can be provided as the main goal of care or along with curative treatment. Although it is an important part of end-of-life care, it is not limited to that stage. Palliative care can be provided across multiple settings including in hospitals, at home, as part of community palliative care programs, and in skilled nursing facilities. Interdisciplinary palliative care teams work with people and their families to clarify goals of care and provide symptom management, psycho-social, and spiritual support."
So what exactly are you suggesting with regard to palliative care and Madeleine McCann?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1479 on: March 30, 2018, 11:14:51 AM »
So what exactly are you suggesting with regard to palliative care and Madeleine McCann?
If she was involved in an accident and someone rushed her down to LuzDoc but it was closed, where would they go after that. 
Everyone tends to think Smithman was heading to the beach but basically that just means going South, we don't actually know if he went to the beach or to someone's house.  Did he know someone who could offer help?  Someone with nursing skills.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1480 on: March 30, 2018, 11:24:13 AM »
If she was involved in an accident and someone rushed her down to LuzDoc but it was closed, where would they go after that. 
Everyone tends to think Smithman was heading to the beach but basically that just means going South, we don't actually know if he went to the beach or to someone's house.  Did he know someone who could offer help?  Someone with nursing skills.

I seem to recall there were some doctors, staying at the ocean club.... Don't have a cite though

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1481 on: March 30, 2018, 11:31:10 AM »
If it is closed it is closed.
"Emergency

This is a service that covers the times of the day and night when there are no booked general medicine consultations. A doctor is always available at Luzdoc during weekday afternoons, bank holidays, Saturdays and Sundays and on call every night."

There was a 24 hr service.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1482 on: March 30, 2018, 11:32:36 AM »
If she was involved in an accident and someone rushed her down to LuzDoc but it was closed, where would they go after that. 
Everyone tends to think Smithman was heading to the beach but basically that just means going South, we don't actually know if he went to the beach or to someone's house.  Did he know someone who could offer help?  Someone with nursing skills.
Rushing to find medical treatment in an emergency is hardly what I would describe as "palliative care". 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1483 on: March 30, 2018, 11:34:25 AM »
"Emergency

This is a service that covers the times of the day and night when there are no booked general medicine consultations. A doctor is always available at Luzdoc during weekday afternoons, bank holidays, Saturdays and Sundays and on call every night."

There was a 24 hr service.
So if you walked there is there a phone to use at the premises to call up the doctor, or do you have to go to somewhere where there is a phone to use?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1484 on: March 30, 2018, 11:36:04 AM »
Rushing to find medical treatment in an emergency is hardly what I would describe as "palliative care".
I agree.  The first step may have been to get medical help, it was shut, so what does he do next?
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