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Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1500 on: March 30, 2018, 06:25:45 PM »
Pork chops sounds fine as I am struggling to think where I might get my hands on decomposing piglets.

And to VS, AFAIK human remains are illegal in Portugal, just as they are in the UK.

So it's pork chops until I can find the nearest pig farm for some piglets.

Two legally obtainable training aids might not be too easy to easy to come by.

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 She occasionally gets access to the surface, be it a piece of carpet or some dirt, for example, on which a body was found.

But the most common training aid is placenta, donated by new moms.

"I'm in the habit of congratulating family members and in the second sentence saying, 'So, what are you doing with your placenta?" said Cooper, who has a few placentas in her freezer at home.

She said a handler will train a dog with the same odour source for approximately six months so the dog learns the subtle changes that take place during decomposition.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cadaver-dogs-science-training-1.3654993
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Offline sadie

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1501 on: March 30, 2018, 06:40:07 PM »
The street he was seen on takes you to the church then to the beach.
The way that he was walking was generally in a southerly direction. 

If he immediately crossed the road Rua 25 Abril he came to the top of a steep flight of steps carrying on in southerly direction.   He could then come out at the little beach adjacent and immediately west of The Fortezela ... or as Heri pointed in a more general direction along the front towards odd accesses to the beach / sea in a westerly direction.


But, of course, he could have been walking towards a house or a parked vehicle, we just dont know.... do we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1502 on: March 30, 2018, 06:49:52 PM »
If you say so Robbitybob, I however think this theory can be filed in the "highly implausible" drawer.
Thanks for conceding it is a possibility.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1503 on: March 30, 2018, 06:51:32 PM »
Thanks for conceding it is a possibility.
Anything's possible.  Have you checked whether the circus was in town that day?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1504 on: March 30, 2018, 06:51:54 PM »
I answered that around a week ago when you last raised it, Rob.

ETA: So did you, by posting the diagramme.
Got me there for I don't remember raising this issue previously.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1505 on: March 30, 2018, 06:57:55 PM »
A remote possibility in my book.  If strangers did hear a child crying constantly in distress the correct action would be to inform reception immediately.
John and I both support the woke and wandered theory (in the past for sure) so any distressed state I'm talking about is some considerable distance from the apartment.  It is not a crying in the apartment scenario that I was trying to portray.
Distressed on the road leading to the secondary reception is the hypothesis I'm proposing. It is from that exposed vulnerable location I propose she was abducted.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1506 on: March 30, 2018, 06:59:20 PM »
The street he was seen on takes you to the church then to the beach.
How direct is that?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1507 on: March 30, 2018, 07:02:19 PM »
His progress was charted at various points by the Smith party one group of which included Peter Smith.
Mary and Martin Smith saw him at another point of his walk.
Aoife had the last sight of him.

Did any one of them suggest he either approached or showed the slightest interest in LuzDoc?
The "PJ final report" emphasises the "leading to the beach" aspect whereas without a doubt Smithman walked past LuzDoc.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1508 on: March 30, 2018, 07:04:34 PM »
Anything's possible.  Have you checked whether the circus was in town that day?
Have you heard of the expression "the McCann Circus".
« Last Edit: March 30, 2018, 07:10:03 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1509 on: March 30, 2018, 09:28:26 PM »
If you have other links to how VR dogs are trained and tested, I would be most grateful if you would post them.

I want to train our new puppy, Gonçalo, as a VR dog.  Before anyone chucks in the usual insults, I don't expect ever to deploy Gonçalo as a VR dog.  I simply want to learn about the hands-on practical aspects of training and testing such a dog.

TY.

You are barking up the wrong tree asking folk on here.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1510 on: March 30, 2018, 11:23:20 PM »
Two legally obtainable training aids might not be too easy to easy to come by.

Snip
 She occasionally gets access to the surface, be it a piece of carpet or some dirt, for example, on which a body was found.

But the most common training aid is placenta, donated by new moms.

"I'm in the habit of congratulating family members and in the second sentence saying, 'So, what are you doing with your placenta?" said Cooper, who has a few placentas in her freezer at home.

She said a handler will train a dog with the same odour source for approximately six months so the dog learns the subtle changes that take place during decomposition.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cadaver-dogs-science-training-1.3654993
Thank you for this Brietta.

I have already given thought to how I might obtain human remains, and I think that problem is solvable.

Here's where the wheels come off the bus.

We have a very small freezer, so any human remains would be getting stored alongside my steak and kidney pies, pizza and frozen fish.  Commonly known as yuk!

My family already think I'm weird.  Starting up a human body farm in our back garden might convince them I should be committed to the loony bin.

But what I want is a victim recovery dog.  I would like the dog to be able to give two different alerts, one for dead and one for alive.

I don't want to train Gonçalo as a cadaver dog.  I want him to be able to tell me when a victim is still alive.  A victim recovery dog.  VRD.
What's up, old man?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1511 on: March 30, 2018, 11:30:31 PM »
You are barking up the wrong tree asking folk on here.
Actually, at the moment I think I have got at least 4 documents to read up on thus far.  So I've got my starters for ten.
What's up, old man?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1512 on: March 30, 2018, 11:40:44 PM »
Anything's possible.  Have you checked whether the circus was in town that day?

No but we know that there was one in Luz afterwards.

Edit: spelling correction.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2018, 11:48:40 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1513 on: March 31, 2018, 12:20:30 AM »
How direct is that?

Walking at a fast pace about 2-3 minutes away from the rocky part of the beach.

Report Aim
'This report solely considers the search scenario that Madeline McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed on the beach at PD Luz or has been put into the sea from the shore.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1514 on: March 31, 2018, 02:47:47 AM »
Walking at a fast pace about 2-3 minutes away from the rocky part of the beach.

Report Aim
'This report solely considers the search scenario that Madeline McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed on the beach at PD Luz or has been put into the sea from the shore.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Do you read more into the Harrison report than just instructions on how to conduct a search?
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