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Offline Eleanor

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2018, 05:07:07 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 04, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Eddie alerts to blood. There was blood on the key fob. In 5a Eddie alerted but Keela didn’t so it couldn’t have been to blood but cadaver scent.

Bolloxs.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 04, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
It is still cadaver scent even if the person the tissue comes from is still alive.  Imagine if a person lost his arm in an accident, and makes his way to hospital.  The people never recover his arm, but he survives.
Years later dogs on a cadaver dog training exercise find a years old bones from a human victim.
Wouldn't the dog trainers immediately think the person had died?

I wouldn't.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2018, 05:19:40 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 04, 2018, 02:57:07 PM
Keela alerts to blood. Eddie alerts to blood and cadaver scent. If Eddie alerts and Keela doesn’t then that is suggestive that Eddie is alerting to cadaver scent. I really can’t make it any simpler.

no you couldnt...it would be suggestive but would not confirm anything
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2018, 05:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 04, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Eddie alerts to blood. There was blood on the key fob. In 5a Eddie alerted but Keela didn’t so it couldn’t have been to blood but cadaver scent.

not according to grime..it would be suggestive of cadaver scent
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2018, 05:32:32 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on March 04, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
I wouldn't.
Do you want to take a bet on that?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #95 on: March 04, 2018, 06:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on March 04, 2018, 05:07:07 PM
Bolloxs.

I have just been given a warning for using bleedin' and blx  @)(++(*
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Offline kizzy

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #96 on: March 04, 2018, 06:11:43 PM »
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #97 on: March 04, 2018, 06:27:03 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on March 04, 2018, 06:05:35 PM
I have just been given a warning for using bleedin' and blx  @)(++(*

It wass nae me.  I must have missed that one.  Which I frequently do.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2018, 06:28:07 PM »
Quote from: kizzy on March 04, 2018, 06:11:43 PM
you forgot IYO

It wasn't In My Opinion.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2018, 06:32:07 PM »
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline kizzy

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2018, 06:34:15 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on March 04, 2018, 06:28:07 PM
It wasn't In My Opinion.

Ah right, forgot you were a mod.

Isn't it goading - not a very nice example for a mod
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Offline Lace

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2018, 07:00:57 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 04, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Eddie alerts to blood. There was blood on the key fob. In 5a Eddie alerted but Keela didn’t so it couldn’t have been to blood but cadaver scent.

You are missing the point I am trying to make.

Keela alerts to blood.   Eddie alerts to blood.

Keela alerts to blood that is present, on an object even if it has been cleaned.

Eddie will alert to blood that is present,  but as a cadaver dog will also alert to blood that has been on something such as clothing which was once in the area of alert but which has been removed.

Another problem is three families stayed in 5a after the McCann's.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2018, 07:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Lace on March 04, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
You are missing the point I am trying to make.

Keela alerts to blood.   Eddie alerts to blood.

Keela alerts to blood that is present, on an object even if it has been cleaned.

Eddie will alert to blood that is present,  but as a cadaver dog will also alert to blood that has been on something such as clothing which was once in the area of alert but which has been removed.

Another problem is three families stayed in 5a after the McCann's.

I’m sorry Lace but Eddie does not alert to blood that has been removed.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Lace

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #103 on: March 04, 2018, 07:09:09 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 04, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
I’m sorry Lace but Eddie does not alert to blood that has been removed.

You know this how?

I shall post this clip again -

Unfortunately, in such a situation the trier of fact may easily be misled as to both the accuracy and precision of the dog's actions: Accuracy in the sense that the dog (depending upon its level of training) may be reacting to something other than residual scent from decomposed human tissue; precision in that the dog may be reacting correctly to the scent of decomposed human tissue, but imprecise in the sense that the dog is not differentiating between whose decomposed human tissue is giving the scent. Further, there may be legitimate reasons for the scent being there: someone may have been injured and left bloody clothing there, someone may have left a used sanitary napkin, etc. Our research demonstrates that residual scent from decomposed human tissue persists in a closed building for many months at levels sufficient to cause a trained dog to alert.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #104 on: March 04, 2018, 07:19:58 PM »
Quote from: kizzy on March 04, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Ah right, forgot you were a mod.

Isn't it goading - not a very nice example for a mod

When it comes to Opinions, I am no better or worse than anyone else.  I try to keep the two things separate, but this is difficult.  Although, please God I manage.

Quite probably, Moderators should not express opinions.  But where do you think you will find a person who will have the time and the patience to do this.

At the moment we have two Sceptic Mods and two Supporter Mods.  What more do you want?
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