Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[misty]

The above was also true of Murat’s villa and the various other locations Eddie was taken to yet at none of those did he alert to the scent he was trained to find. Can you give a logical explanation for that ?

We have not seen Eddie in action at Casa Liliana, where "nothing of any significance" was reportedly found.
Neither Eddie nor Keela was granted access to the interior of any vehicle except the McCanns hire car.
Eddie was not granted a similar amount of time in other apartments as in 5A. Furniture was not moved around in the other apartments.
Was Eddie trained to find scent in the spectrum of a human cadaver under 5 hours old?

[Brietta]

I said nothing about statistics. Logic dictates that if a cadaver dog alerts in a certain location and in that location a child has gone missing then the two are more probably than not linked. There may be no collectible forensics to prove that the death occurred but the alert is nonetheless indicative and will certainly be given its due weight by any investigating police force.

Using that criteria, how many deaths does logic dictate occurred in Haute de la Garrenne?  Eddie's trained response was to bark ... how often did he 'alert' in the exclusive footage shown below?

Exclusive footage of 'Eddie'- Cadaver Dog at Haut de la Garenne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczCU66raBE

[Eleanor]

Using that criteria, how many deaths does logic dictate occurred in Haute de la Garrenne?  Eddie's trained response was to bark ... how often did he 'alert' in the exclusive footage shown below?

Exclusive footage of 'Eddie'- Cadaver Dog at Haut de la Garenne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MczCU66raBE

That video is excruciating.  What on earth is Eddie barking at?

[Brietta]

That video is excruciating.  What on earth is Eddie barking at?

There is a belief system held by some that Eddie's bark is infallible as is often quoted in the case of Apartment 5A where he was also filmed barking as seen in the Haute de la Garenne video, as well as beside the door of a vehicle in a public car park etc.

There were no unaccounted deaths in the former children's home to justify his alerts ... bearing in mind that of the children who lived there some had been sent by local authorities who if they sent three children out demanded to get the same three back ... and the majority had relatives most of whom would have missed them had they vanished.

In my opinion comparison of video of Eddie barking in Jersey and Eddie barking in Praia da Luz are not dissimilar.

[Eleanor]

Poor old Eddie.  He never was a true Cadaver Dog.  He had learned too many old tricks, along with the normal pit falls of what a Cadaver Dog will alert to in the absence of an actual dead body, like teeth and semen and urine.  And he was far too excitable.

I think that Martin Grime had the right basic idea and that these dogs, if properly trained can be useful, but it is never going to be an exact science.

[sadie]

Please do not repost claims you can not substantiate.

Show me the colaborating evidence Faith.

You cant, because there isn't any.

[Robittybob1]

Show me the colaborating evidence Faith.

You cant, because there isn't any.

I can only imagine an instruction "Please do not repost claims you can not substantiate" must mean that all options have to be on the table.
"So to claim the alerts, were to cadaver odour is incorrect."  would become "So to claim the alerts, were to cadaver odour is unproven so can't be claimed as correct or incorrect.

[Mr Gray]

I can only imagine an instruction "Please do not repost claims you can not substantiate" must mean that all options have to be on the table.
"So to claim the alerts, were to cadaver odour is incorrect."  would become "So to claim the alerts, were to cadaver odour is unproven so can't be claimed as correct or incorrect.

To claim the alerts were to cadaver odour is factually incorrect...it has not been possible  and is impossible to determine what the alerts were to...poeple have opinions...and that is all they are... To claim the alerts may have been to cadaver odour of course is correct

[Mr Gray]

Logic dictates that when a cadaver dog alerts in an apartment where a child has disappeared those alerts and the disappearance are statistically more likely to be connected than not.

by how much..

[Mr Gray]

I said nothing about statistics. Logic dictates that if a cadaver dog alerts in a certain location and in that location a child has gone missing then the two are more probably than not linked. There may be no collectible forensics to prove that the death occurred but the alert is nonetheless indicative and will certainly be given its due weight by any investigating police force.

just the way that if a child disappears statistically the parents are likeely to be involved...this is not evidence but intelligence

[Mr Gray]

the point of this thread is to show taht the sceptics belief is based on a fallacy. faith has stated as a fact that the alerts were to cadaver odour based on grimes statement which is a logical fallacy.

[Robittybob1]

the point of this thread is to show taht the sceptics belief is based on a fallacy. faith has stated as a fact that the alerts were to cadaver odour based on grimes statement which is a logical fallacy.

There are many types of logical fallacy, which type is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[Mr Gray]

There are many types of logical fallacy, which type is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Im using the words in their literal sense

In reasoning to argue a claim, a fallacy is reasoning that is evaluated as logically incorrect

from your link

[faithlilly]

We have not seen Eddie in action at Casa Liliana, where "nothing of any significance" was reportedly found.
Neither Eddie nor Keela was granted access to the interior of any vehicle except the McCanns hire car.
Eddie was not granted a similar amount of time in other apartments as in 5A. Furniture was not moved around in the other apartments.
Was Eddie trained to find scent in the spectrum of a human cadaver under 5 hours old?

Firstly unless you are suggesting that Grime, Harrison and half the PJ failed to report an alert in Casa Liliana then your first point is irrelevant.
Secondly the dogs reacted to no other car.
Thirdly Eddie’s behaviour changed on entering 5a and continued during the search. I’m sure this was the reason more time was spent there. This doesn’t appear to have happened in any other of the apartments.
And finally the fact that Eddie was used suggests so.

[Mr Gray]

Firstly unless you are suggesting that Grime, Harrison and half the PJ failed to report an alert in Casa Liliana then your first point is irrelevant.
Secondly the dogs reacted to no other car.
Thirdly Eddie’s behaviour changed on entering 5a and continued during the search. I’m sure this was the reason more time was spent there. This doesn’t appear to have happened in any other of the apartments.
And finally the fact that Eddie was used suggests so.

you are missing the point. Is it confirmed that edddie detected cadaver scent in 5a...you claim it is and you are wrong