Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[misty]

Quite a bit about it on the internet.  Picked this one at random, a quick scan suggests it might cover a bit of the theory. http://www.vsrda.org/how-scent-and-airflow-works

That doesn't seem to gel with what Grime describes, does it?

[Brietta]

The source of the scent could be coming from another area of the room but moved by air current, resulting in pooling in another area such as a corner or inside the fitted furniture.

Eddie showed a reaction in the enclosed passageway outside apartment five A and couldn't wait to get inside, if memory serves me well.
Bit odd that he could smell something while still outside.

[misty]

Eddie showed a reaction in the enclosed passageway outside apartment five A and couldn't wait to get inside, if memory serves me well.
Bit odd that he could smell something while still outside.

Why would Eddie have reacted outside anyway when he wasn't in working mode at that particular time?

[Brietta]

That doesn't seem to gel with what Grime describes, does it?

Grime was operating in an enclosed space in a small flat where wind currents weren't a factor.  Why would a scent be discernible to the dog from the area of small passageway to pool in that particular corner?

I think the scent must have been carried in on someone's clothing or footwear.

[Brietta]

Why would Eddie have reacted outside anyway when he wasn't in working mode at that particular time?

That would be my understanding too.

The video shows him excitable and not waiting for his command before starting his search.  Some imagine this emphasises the strength of the 'scent of death'.  In my opinion that section of the video shows him acting outwith his training parameters similar to the way in which he acted in the gymnasium where he ran over the evidence, mouthed it and threw it around.

[misty]

Grime was operating in an enclosed space in a small flat where wind currents weren't a factor.  Why would a scent be discernible to the dog from the area of small passageway to pool in that particular corner?

I think the scent must have been carried in on someone's clothing or footwear.

I do wonder how much cross-contamination was on the dog lead Grime carried when he was gloved up & ready to deploy Eddie.

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[Brietta]

I do wonder how much cross-contamination was on the dog lead Grime carried when he was gloved up & ready to deploy Eddie.

I never thought of that before.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the gloves are to prevent cross contamination of evidence gathered at a scene - skin cells, grease etc?  But if the gloves themselves have been subject to prior contamination ... that defeats the purpose rather?

[misty]

I never thought of that before.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the gloves are to prevent cross contamination of evidence gathered at a scene - skin cells, grease etc?  But if the gloves themselves have been subject to prior contamination ... that defeats the purpose rather?

It does defeat the purpose. Had the lead been contaminated during previous deployments, training exercises, in police vans etc etc?

[Robittybob1]

Fact:  Eddie did alert in 5a and to clothing laid out in the gym.  The difficulty as we all know is that it is not known what he alerted to.

And we don't know how it got onto the clothing.

[Robittybob1]

That doesn't seem to gel with what Grime describes, does it?

Working cadaver dogs inside bedrooms has another level of complexity to the  search.

[Robittybob1]

Grime was operating in an enclosed space in a small flat where wind currents weren't a factor.  Why would a scent be discernible to the dog from the area of small passageway to pool in that particular corner?

I think the scent must have been carried in on someone's clothing or footwear.

That is an interesting point.  For the dogs to be brought in such a long time after the event, who is to say what has happened in the between times.  No wonder Martin Grimes told the PJ to get corroborating forensic evidence.

[Mr Gray]

The point is as shown by spam is that [posters are using the alerts as evidence in their thought process to decide that madeleine died in teh aprtment when the FACT is taht according to the experts the alerts should not be used as evidence...therefore these posters do not understand what the evidence is

[slartibartfast]

The point is as shown by spam is that [posters are using the alerts as evidence in their thought process to decide that madeleine died in teh aprtment when the FACT is taht according to the experts the alerts should not be used as evidence...therefore these posters do not understand what the evidence is

Always remembering that those experts are policemen and talking about acceptable legal evidence and not evidence in general.

[Mr Gray]

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Always remembering that those experts are policemen and talking about acceptable legal evidence and not evidence in general.

If the, alerts could be shown to be, reliable they would be, allowed as evidence... The fact that they cannot be means, they are not

[G-Unit]

Always remembering that those experts are policemen and talking about acceptable legal evidence and not evidence in general.

Some people seem unable to understand that there are different kinds of evidence.