Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[faithlilly]

It wasn't though.

Yes it was.

[ShiningInLuz]

it was given yesterday

If you are unwilling to provide or re-provide a simple cite, then I am committing your comment to the general dustbin of rubbish.

I.e. I have no reason to believe that Buster's alerts were dismissed by the court.  This is based on the information from the BBC and Wiki that this did not happen.

Over to you.  Cite?

[Mr Gray]

If you are unwilling to provide or re-provide a simple cite, then I am committing your comment to the general dustbin of rubbish.

I.e. I have no reason to believe that Buster's alerts were dismissed by the court.  This is based on the information from the BBC and Wiki that this did not happen.

Over to you.  Cite?

Put in your dustbin if you like... I dont really care.. The cite was provided yesterday... Read back... It's forum rules to provide a cite... I have done

[Mr Gray]

For those who have followed the thread I've sent an email to see if I can get a copy of the review where the evidence Re the digs was deemed unreliable

[Carana]

Yes it was.

Could you point out the relevant page in the FSS report, then, in case I missed it?

[ShiningInLuz]

Put in your dustbin if you like... I dont really care.. The cite was provided yesterday... Read back... It's forum rules to provide a cite... I have done

I could re-read through 10 pages to see if you provided a cite.

The much-easier path is simply to provide your cite.  Go on, just do it.  It will only take you a moment.   

[Mr Gray]

I could re-read through 10 pages to see if you provided a cite.

The much-easier path is simply to provide your cite.  Go on, just do it.  It will only take you a moment.   

Post 376 I think

[ShiningInLuz]

Post 376 I think

Many thanks for your link.   

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/suzanne-pilley-murder-killer-s-family-shocked-by-closure-of-review-1-4465183

What I understand from this is that the Gilroy family objected to the evidence re the dogs.  Is there anything solid that the Scottish court actually ruled out this testimony?

Otherwise this is groundhog day.  The McCanns claim the dogs are unreliable.  The Gilroys claim the dogs are unreliable. The McCanns are free.  David Gilroy is serving a life sentence.

Is there anything solid that the court rejected the evidence of the dogs, whilst still finding Gilroy's conviction was secure?

[Mr Gray]

Many thanks for your link.   

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/suzanne-pilley-murder-killer-s-family-shocked-by-closure-of-review-1-4465183

What I understand from this is that the Gilroy family objected to the evidence re the dogs.  Is there anything solid that the Scottish court actually ruled out this testimony?

Otherwise this is groundhog day.  The McCanns claim the dogs are unreliable.  The Gilroys claim the dogs are unreliable. The McCanns are free.  David Gilroy is serving a life sentence.

Is there anything solid that the court rejected the evidence of the dogs, whilst still finding Gilroy's conviction was secure?

It was The SCRCC who criticised the dog evidence... Reprted byy the family... I've emailed the SCRCC for a copy of their review

And of course both Harrison and Grime have said that the uncomfirmed alerts are unreliable

[ShiningInLuz]

It was The SCRCC who criticised the dog evidence... Reprted byy the family... I've emailed the SCRCC for a copy of their review

And of course both Harrison and Grime have said that the uncomfirmed alerts are unreliable

Please update us if you get a copy of the review.

Until then, it is a Gilroy family statement that...

Akin to, it is a McCann family statement that ...

Or a Clarence Mitchell statement that ...

Or a friend of the family said ...

Or an unnamed source close to the family said ...

Good luck with the SCRCC.  Genuinely.

[Mr Gray]

Please update us if you get a copy of the review.

Until then, it is a Gilroy family statement that...

Akin to, it is a McCann family statement that ...

Or a Clarence Mitchell statement that ...

Or a friend of the family said ...

Or an unnamed source close to the family said ...

Good luck with the SCRCC.  Genuinely.

I take your point but I think there must be something  behind it... We will agree to disagree..

[faithlilly]

Could you point out the relevant page in the FSS report, then, in case I missed it?

A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests.

[Carana]

A low level incomplete DNA profile which matched the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Gerald McCann was obtained from cellular material on the key card (286C/2007-CRL(12)). This sample has not been sent for further testing using LCN DNA profiling tests.

Thanks, I'm aware of that. Where does it state that blood had been identified?

[Robittybob1]

Thanks, I'm aware of that. Where does it state that blood had been identified?

Since Keela was trained to only alert to human blood in traces than can't be seen with the eye, we tend to call it "blood" even though we can't see it. 
Like I've read somewhere if a knife had been used and it had been wiped clean multiple times so there are no visible traces of blood left on it she will still alert to the knife.   I think we are entitle to say "she is still alerting to the traces of blood" but it can't be proven it was blood. 
Now Keela alerted to the key fob as well as Eddie.  Can you accept that Keela identified it as blood?

[Mr Gray]

Since Keela was trained to only alert to human blood in traces than can't be seen with the eye, we tend to call it "blood" even though we can't see it. 
Like I've read somewhere if a knife had been used and it had been wiped clean multiple times so there are no visible traces of blood left on it she will still alert to the knife.   I think we are entitle to say "she is still alerting to the traces of blood" but it can't be proven it was blood. 
Now Keela alerted to the key fob as well as Eddie.  Can you accept that Keela identified it as blood?

As keela can alert to remains so small as not to be detectable by science... What was recovered may not be what she was, alerting to