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Offline misty

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #630 on: March 10, 2018, 10:52:04 PM »
Blimey! you mean like Burgess, MaClean and the Krogers? and even like what's going on "up the road" from me as we speak ? Watch out for bold Bulgars with umbrellas.

Not quite the LFC suits of '96 (minus the ricin) but he said he was "in the know".
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #631 on: March 10, 2018, 10:53:29 PM »
I take it as more of a standard police evidence approach. Unless they can be 100% certain they will qualify their statements. It doesn’t mean the dog was not always correct.

of course...just because in Jersey the "childs skull" turned out to be a coconut...does not mean the dog is wrong...because it impossible to prove the dog is wrong...even if the dog is wrong

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #632 on: March 10, 2018, 11:03:25 PM »
We've been informed on this thread that the Met know the weight of the dogs' so-called evidence, the implication being that they consider the alerts highly significant.  Is there any verbatim reference to the dog alerts in this case by any member of the Met that supports this contention?  If so, what was said and by whom?
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Offline misty

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #633 on: March 10, 2018, 11:14:10 PM »
We've been informed on this thread that the Met know the weight of the dogs' so-called evidence, the implication being that they consider the alerts highly significant.  Is there any verbatim reference to the dog alerts in this case by any member of the Met that supports this contention?  If so, what was said and by whom?
DCI Redwood March 2014
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-mccann/uk-police-in-madeleine-mccann-case-probe-new-intruder-link-idUSBREA2I1D220140319
*snipped*
"There is always the potential that she didn't leave the apartment alive. What is important for us to do is consider all the options"

That statement inplies that SY did not fully support the cadaver dog's alerts at that time, although there is no direct reference to same.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #634 on: March 10, 2018, 11:23:53 PM »
DCI Redwood March 2014
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-mccann/uk-police-in-madeleine-mccann-case-probe-new-intruder-link-idUSBREA2I1D220140319
*snipped*
"There is always the potential that she didn't leave the apartment alive. What is important for us to do is consider all the options"

That statement inplies that SY did not fully support the cadaver dog's alerts at that time, although there is no direct reference to same.
DCI Redwood also said back in 2013(?) he believed it quite possible that Madeleine was still alive, which suggests that the dog alerts were not the weighty piece of evidence that some would have us believe. 
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #635 on: March 10, 2018, 11:52:20 PM »
DCI Redwood also said back in 2013(?) he believed it quite possible that Madeleine was still alive, which suggests that the dog alerts were not the weighty piece of evidence that some would have us believe.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #636 on: March 11, 2018, 12:32:58 AM »
DCI Redwood also said back in 2013(?) he believed it quite possible that Madeleine was still alive, which suggests that the dog alerts were not the weighty piece of evidence that some would have us believe.
That will take some figuring out how that can be.  Smithman carrying possible Madeleine away from the Ocean Club, no suggestion she had been dead whilst being carried, by the Met.
Would a person carry a dead child past a whole family?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #637 on: March 11, 2018, 01:12:52 AM »
DCI Redwood also said back in 2013(?) he believed it quite possible that Madeleine was still alive, which suggests that the dog alerts were not the weighty piece of evidence that some would have us believe.

The Met use cadaver dogs regularly so wont be as eager to dismiss their alerts as some supporters.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #638 on: March 11, 2018, 06:22:37 AM »
That will take some figuring out how that can be.  Smithman carrying possible Madeleine away from the Ocean Club, no suggestion she had been dead whilst being carried, by the Met.
Would a person carry a dead child past a whole family?

Would that person have a choice in the matter?

Was he supposed to turn round & walk the other way when he was already the best part half way down the road before the family emerged from the alleyway.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #639 on: March 11, 2018, 06:29:11 AM »
The Met use cadaver dogs regularly so wont be as eager to dismiss their alerts as some supporters.

Of course, any & every investigator that considers the dogs alerts thinks.... 'abduction!'

What utter horse dung.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #640 on: March 11, 2018, 07:21:15 AM »
Would that person have a choice in the matter?

Was he supposed to turn round & walk the other way when he was already the best part half way down the road before the family emerged from the alleyway.
I would like to see what that would be like.  Someone deceased long enough to leave cadaver odour in the apartment.  And then get someone else to carry the cadaver along the road making it look like a girl asleep. 
Two problems:
1.   How long has the girl been deceased. 
2.  How do you carry a person who has been deceased that long and make it look natural as you carry her.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #641 on: March 11, 2018, 07:23:20 AM »
I would like to see what that would be like.  Someone deceased long enough to leave cadaver odour in the apartment.  And then get someone else to carry the cadaver along the road making it look like a girl asleep. 
Two problems:
1.   How long has the girl been deceased. 
2.  How do you carry a person who has been deceased that long and make it look natural as you carry her.

He did not look comfortable carrying the child.

Dead weight.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #642 on: March 11, 2018, 07:57:52 AM »
He did not look comfortable carrying the child.

Dead weight.
I don't know if that is a fair interpretation.

To be fair I suppose you would have to compare the man carrying a cadaver to a man carrying a sleeping child.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #643 on: March 11, 2018, 08:23:37 AM »
I would like to see what that would be like.  Someone deceased long enough to leave cadaver odour in the apartment.  And then get someone else to carry the cadaver along the road making it look like a girl asleep. 
Two problems:
1.   How long has the girl been deceased. 
2.  How do you carry a person who has been deceased that long and make it look natural as you carry her.

Perhaps it doesn't look natural;

 He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #644 on: March 11, 2018, 08:27:21 AM »
Perhaps it doesn't look natural;

 He adds that he did not hold the child in a comfortable position, suggesting [the carrying] not being habitual.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

OK we could add observers to out reconstruction and question them later about what their impressions were.
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