Author Topic: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence  (Read 178822 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #720 on: March 13, 2018, 01:44:53 PM »
You need to read all the quotes made by Grime and Harrison.... They both specifically refer to physical evidence..
Again it seems, there is something  you are unaware  of

After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON-RIGATORY.htm

then from grime..

Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

There was none in the Gilroy case, just corroborting evidence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #721 on: March 13, 2018, 02:11:03 PM »
There was none in the Gilroy case, just corroborting evidence.

And what do you imagine that proves... There is evidence that that the dog evidence was considered unreliable


« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 02:31:36 PM by Davel »

Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #722 on: March 13, 2018, 02:14:00 PM »
There was none in the Gilroy case, just corroborting evidence.

Sorry, I'm not picking up on your meaning.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #723 on: March 13, 2018, 02:18:16 PM »
You quote Robbie Coltrane and I will quote martin grime

I'll see your Martin Grime and raise a John Coltrane.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #724 on: March 13, 2018, 02:23:32 PM »
I'll see your Martin Grime and raise a John Coltrane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcN5LP4WLAA

strange choice..Coltrane payed cracker ...the criminal profiler....as used in the Colin Stagg case and we know what use that was.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #725 on: March 13, 2018, 02:30:17 PM »
There was none in the Gilroy case, just corroborting evidence.

so the alerts were not corroborated.. I emailed the SCCRC re the case and have been told my request is being dealt with as a FOI reuqest...so at least I will get some response
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 02:35:25 PM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #726 on: March 13, 2018, 02:44:42 PM »
There was none in the Gilroy case, just corroborting evidence.

once again you are making assunptions...who says the alerts were corroborated...another pointer tha you do not understand the evidence...it may well be the alerts ahve been discredited
« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 02:48:30 PM by Davel »

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #727 on: March 13, 2018, 02:50:25 PM »
once again you are making assunptions...who says the alerts were corroborated...another pointer tha you do not understand the evidence...it may well be the alerts ahve been discredited

Not according to Grime they haven't.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #728 on: March 13, 2018, 02:54:27 PM »
Not according to Grime they haven't.

I'm talking about the Gilroy case... Grime does not support the alerts as evidence in the McCann case..

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #729 on: March 13, 2018, 03:06:01 PM »
I'm talking about the Gilroy case... Grime does not support the alerts as evidence in the McCann case..

Not officially but he believes Ediie did alert to cadaver scent.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #730 on: March 13, 2018, 03:23:06 PM »
Not officially but he believes Ediie did alert to cadaver scent.

Cite... You can't give a cite so is just an unsubstantiated  claim

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #731 on: March 13, 2018, 03:28:04 PM »
Cite

I'm afraid I can't post a cite but I do know he believed in Eddie and that he genuinely alerted in accordance with his training regimes.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #732 on: March 13, 2018, 03:32:18 PM »
I'm afraid I can't post a cite but I do know he believed in Eddie and that he genuinely alerted in accordance with his training regimes.

So now it's not cadaver scent but training regime which include blood... That's why you need a cite

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #733 on: March 13, 2018, 03:34:48 PM »
So now it's not cadaver scent but training regime which include blood... That's why you need a cite

But his training regimes included cadaver scent.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #734 on: March 13, 2018, 03:37:50 PM »
But his training regimes included cadaver scent.

And blood.. Theres, confusion already...