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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1005 on: March 20, 2018, 10:47:52 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 20, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Does he? Do you have a cite ?

You mean you are not, aware of this
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1006 on: March 20, 2018, 10:49:10 AM »
Quote from: Davel on March 20, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
You mean you are not, aware of this

Do you have a cite ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1007 on: March 20, 2018, 10:52:03 AM »
Quote from: Davel on March 20, 2018, 10:44:22 AM
I agree... And his, statement says that it is possible... And later suggestive of cadaver odour... He, says the, alerts have no evidential value... I'm happy to accept his statements

Both Harrison and Grime say the alerts can be used as intelligence.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1008 on: March 20, 2018, 10:54:14 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 20, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
Both Harrison and Grime say the alerts can be used as intelligence.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.

What do they mean by intelligence

The alerts tell them where to look for evidence... Intelligence
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1009 on: March 20, 2018, 11:14:26 AM »
The dogs suggest that a dead body was inside that apartment and the police follow it up. The dogs provide the police with intelligence as in the Kate Prout, Theresa Parker, Pilley etc. cases - the missing person has never turned up alive. If you think the police ignore such intelligence in a missing person case then you are clearly living in fantasy land.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1010 on: March 20, 2018, 11:22:38 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on March 20, 2018, 11:14:26 AM
The dogs suggest that a dead body was inside that apartment and the police follow it up. The dogs provide the police with intelligence as in the Kate Prout, Theresa Parker, Pilley etc. cases - the missing person has never turned up alive. If you think the police ignore such intelligence in a missing person case then you are clearly living in fantasy land.

The dogs suggest it is poSsible a dead body was inside... There has been a case where a missing person turned up
Anyone who believes it is a fact there was, a body is living in fantasy land

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1011 on: March 20, 2018, 11:31:31 AM »
From dog intelligence, the police will think a dead body was inside that apartment. It's their job to follow it up and prove if it was the case or not! In a missing person case it is a crucial part of their investigation.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 11:34:57 AM by pathfinder73 »
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1012 on: March 20, 2018, 11:35:12 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on March 20, 2018, 11:31:31 AM
From dog intelligence, the police will think a dead body was inside that apartment. It's their job to follow it up and prove if it was the case or not!
The police will not think a dead body has been in there... You are wrong... They will think it a, possibility... Read what grind has to say...
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1013 on: March 20, 2018, 11:40:41 AM »
Eddie's first alert was in the parent's bedroom (Blood dog Keela did not alert there!) suggests to the police there probably was a dead body in this missing person case with no other explanation. There job is to prove it  or not with corroborating evidence. Following the many alerts by the cadaver dog the handler believes:

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1014 on: March 20, 2018, 12:09:48 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on March 20, 2018, 11:40:41 AM
Eddie's first alert was in the parent's bedroom (Blood dog Keela did not alert there!) suggests to the police there probably was a dead body in this missing person case with no other explanation. There job is to prove it  or not with corroborating evidence. Following the many alerts by the cadaver dog the handler believes:

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

It doesn't suggest there probably was a body there.... You are making things up
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Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1015 on: March 20, 2018, 12:11:24 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on March 20, 2018, 11:14:26 AM
The dogs suggest that a dead body was inside that apartment and the police follow it up. The dogs provide the police with intelligence as in the Kate Prout, Theresa Parker, Pilley etc. cases - the missing person has never turned up alive. If you think the police ignore such intelligence in a missing person case then you are clearly living in fantasy land.

                                      Shannon Matthews ... ???   
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1016 on: March 20, 2018, 12:14:03 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 20, 2018, 10:27:06 AM
Did he bark ?

Did you watch the video?  The answer to your question is illustrated within.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1017 on: March 20, 2018, 12:56:45 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on March 20, 2018, 12:11:24 PM
                                      Shannon Matthews ... ???   

In the Karen Matthews case the reason for the scent was found and it was indeed from a cadaver.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1018 on: March 20, 2018, 12:57:43 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on March 20, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
Did you watch the video?  The answer to your question is illustrated within.

I believe a cite is forum etiquette.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1019 on: March 20, 2018, 12:58:22 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on March 20, 2018, 12:56:45 PM
In the Karen Matthews case the reason for the scent was found and it was indeed from a cadaver.

In that one, yes. What were the other unspecified cases about?
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