Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Mr Gray]

In the Karen Matthews case the reason for the scent was found and it was indeed from a cadaver.

So there, was no dead body

[Carana]

So there, was no dead body

Suggestive of cadaver scent contaminant...

That might have been correct. Who knows? Did Grime or Harrison inform the PJ what that actually meant, and what they ought to investigate in order to exclude irrelevant possibilities beyond a shout out to ask if anyone had actually died there?

[Brietta]

In the Karen Matthews case the reason for the scent was found and it was indeed from a cadaver.

The police were looking for Shannon who had been reported as missing ... the dogs showed an interest in the scent they had been trained to recognise ... thankfully the police continued searching for Shannon who was found " - drugged in the base of a divan bed at a flat belonging to her mother's boyfriend's uncle -" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-42972376

The police believe there had been a fair chance Shannon could have died during her protracted incarceration and her body disposed of.  In my opinion that would have been an interesting situation both for the prosecution and the defence ... given the dogs and furniture contaminated with the residual smell of the deaths of former owners.
Schoolgirl is 'lucky to be alive' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/england/west_yorkshire/7762663.stm

[slartibartfast]

In the Karen Matthews case the reason for the scent was found and it was indeed from a cadaver.

Agreed there was a body, just not the one they were looking for.

[faithlilly]

Agreed there was a body, just not the one they were looking for.

Exactly. Now if supporters can show any evidence that there was any connection between the fixtures and fittings in 5a and a dead body there may be some mileage in their argument.

[Carana]

Exactly. Now if supporters can show any evidence that there was any connection between the fixtures and fittings in 5a and a dead body there may be some mileage in their argument.

If the PJ had checked, who knows whether there may have been or not?

[Mr Gray]

Agreed there was a body, just not the one they were looking for.

reminds of the stage psychic.......does anyone know a Paul...you might be easily impressed but I am not

[Mr Gray]

Exactly. Now if supporters can show any evidence that there was any connection between the fixtures and fittings in 5a and a dead body there may be some mileage in their argument.

there is no argument...no evidential relability...Grime rules

[G-Unit]

reminds of the stage psychic.......does anyone know a Paul...you might be easily impressed but I am not

I'm not really into psychics, but I recommend looking up Tom Binns/Ian D Montfort who is definitely worth viewing.

[Mr Gray]

Exactly. Now if supporters can show any evidence that there was any connection between the fixtures and fittings in 5a and a dead body there may be some mileage in their argument.

there will be no mileage whatsoever...its a celestial teapot argumnet...and all you have to support your beliefs

[faithlilly]

If the PJ had checked, who knows whether there may have been or not?

So only in 5a ? A tad unfortunate for the parents of a missing child wouldn’t you say ?

[Mr Gray]

So only in 5a ? A tad unfortunate for the parents of a missing child wouldn’t you say ?

not sure if you actually read this forum...how long were the dogs allowed to reconsider in 5a when in most cases they failed to alert...in other apartments where they failed to alert were they just brought staright out..


particularly with the alleged alert to CC...the opinion of the PJ officers who watched the dogs and had doubts...with Grime saying the alerts have no evidential value....my opinion that the alerts are basically valueless has some basis

[Vertigo Swirl]

Agreed there was a body, just not the one they were looking for.

where was the body in the Shannon Matthews case then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So only in 5a ? A tad unfortunate for the parents of a missing child wouldn’t you say ?

You could say the same in the Shannon Matthews case.  If the child was still missing  I do believe we'd have a whole bunch of people convinced she died in that bedroom, wouldn't we?

[Vertigo Swirl]

If the PJ had checked, who knows whether there may have been or not?

It might have also helped if they'd checked out all the other people who'd ever stayed in that apartment (both before and after Madeleine went missing) for details of their possible proximity to a dead body.