Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Miss Taken Identity]

What would they be suggesting instead then, those who don't support the McCanns?

Is there any good reason for people not to believe the dogs- supporter or sceptic?  No one has claimed that the dogs identified Maddies cadaver- they were used to  identify scents and signpost -along with other evidence a case may have been brought.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is there any good reason for people not to believe the dogs- supporter or sceptic?  No one has claimed that the dogs identified Maddies cadaver- they were used to  identify scents and signpost -along with other evidence a case may have been brought.

I think a fair few people have concluded that Madeleine died in the apartment on the strength of the dog alerts alone IMO.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think a fair few people have concluded that Madeleine died in the apartment on the strength of the dog alerts alone IMO.

And what is wrong with some people believing that, they may add more things to the list to get their answer- they saw it and believed it what can you do about it? Calling the dogs and handlers liars is not going to change their minds.

[faithlilly]

I think a fair few people have concluded that Madeleine died in the apartment on the strength of the dog alerts alone IMO.

I think OG may have concluded that she died in the apartment too.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And what is wrong with some people believing that, they may add more things to the list to get their answer- they saw it and believed it what can you do about it? Calling the dogs and handlers liars is not going to change their minds.

People can believe what they like, I'm simply responding to your claim that no one has claimed that the dogs identified Madeleine's cadaver.  I think you'll find that some people have, and yet as you yourself appear to agree, they did not!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think OG may have concluded that she died in the apartment too.

That is your belief, unsupported by any evidence. 

[faithlilly]

• This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

If, as has been suggested by some supporters, the dog alerts are meaningless, it does make you wonder what other evidence OG have to suggest Madeleine may have been dead when she left the apartment?

[Miss Taken Identity]

People can believe what they like, I'm simply responding to your claim that no one has claimed that the dogs identified Madeleine's cadaver.  I think you'll find that some people have, and yet as you yourself appear to agree, they did not!

Indeed, however the point I was making was: people looked at the dogs alerts and their purpose,along with other things and then concluded the dogs must be correct and it was/could be  MBM.  there is a difference!

I find Gerrys response to that quite bizzarre if I am honest.  The parents claim their daughter was abducted- she could have been killed in the apartment by the abductor an removed. but the parents were smug about answering with "ask the dogs". I mean WTF is that about.

That interview  really convinced me something was not right at all.

[misty]

• This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

If, as has been suggested by some supporters, the dog alerts are meaningless, it does make you wonder what other evidence OG have to suggest Madeleine may have been dead when she left the apartment?

Had Madeleine been killed in the apartment during a bungled burglary & her body removed, Eddie's alerts would have been meaningless when considering minimum post-mortem contamination time.

[Brietta]

So this from you ‘First of all there would have to have been a trial ‘ is not true ?

You singularly overestimate any significance attached to dog indications ... even hypothetical ones.

[Robittybob1]

I think OG may have concluded that she died in the apartment too.

When you say "OG may have concluded that she died in the apartment too" is that in the sense of all things are possible?

[Vertigo Swirl]

• This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

If, as has been suggested by some supporters, the dog alerts are meaningless, it does make you wonder what other evidence OG have to suggest Madeleine may have been dead when she left the apartment?

Have you got anything more up to date?  The last we heard from Mark Rowley (2017) he said there was no evidence that Madeleine was dead, nor any that she was alive.  So either we accept what the police say, and that their most recent statements trump earlier statements made by ex officers on the case, or we don't.  Which is it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Indeed, however the point I was making was: people looked at the dogs alerts and their purpose,along with other things and then concluded the dogs must be correct and it was/could be  MBM.  there is a difference!

I find Gerrys response to that quite bizzarre if I am honest.  The parents claim their daughter was abducted- she could have been killed in the apartment by the abductor an removed. but the parents were smug about answering with "ask the dogs". I mean WTF is that about.

That interview  really convinced me something was not right at all.

I think Gerry's comment has been taken out of context, twisted and used as an internet meme to propagandise against him and his wife IMO.

[Mr Gray]

I think Gerry's comment has been taken out of context, twisted and used as an internet meme to propagandise against him and his wife IMO.

I think Gerry's, rather clever comment has gone over the heads of some posters

The fact that the dogs cannot talk and cannot be cross examined is one reason why the, alerts have no evidential value

[G-Unit]

Indeed, however the point I was making was: people looked at the dogs alerts and their purpose,along with other things and then concluded the dogs must be correct and it was/could be  MBM.  there is a difference!

I find Gerrys response to that quite bizzarre if I am honest.  The parents claim their daughter was abducted- she could have been killed in the apartment by the abductor an removed. but the parents were smug about answering with "ask the dogs". I mean WTF is that about.

That interview  really convinced me something was not right at all.

The purpose of that interview from the McCann's perspective was to publicise the CEOP video 'A minute for Madeleine' (narrated by Jim Gamble) and some new pictures of how she might look at the age of six.

Sandra Feigueiras, on the other hand, was interested in other matters. After a very quick mention of the reason she has been invited to interview them she moves on to her own agenda.

The McCanns do their best to stick to their agenda, and Sandra keeps going with hers. For the first time the McCanns can't quote Judicial secrecy as a reason for not answering her questions. Eventually she gets that famous answer from Gerry.

I can understand the McCann's frustration, but he made a mistake dismissing cadaver dogs the way he did in my opinion.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/31NOV9/Independent_ie_04_11-09.htm