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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1080 on: March 21, 2018, 01:39:52 PM »
Check your maths.. 2003,4,5,6,7....is 5 years
Eddies CV. supplied by grime is sparse in results

Eddie was used 37 times and it's clear that includes usage bothb inside and outside the SYP area

What months? Even if the period started in January 2003 it is not a full 5 year period. To say it is is misleading.

SYP speak of 'usage', Grime of 'searches'. They aren't the same thing. In my opinion usage could refer to one quick house search in the SYP area or to the hiring out of the team to PdL for a week. Two usages, but how many searches?

over 200 criminal case searches
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1081 on: March 21, 2018, 01:53:27 PM »
What months? Even if the period started in January 2003 it is not a full 5 year period. To say it is is misleading.

SYP speak of 'usage', Grime of 'searches'. They aren't the same thing. In my opinion usage could refer to one quick house search in the SYP area or to the hiring out of the team to PdL for a week. Two usages, but how many searches?

over 200 criminal case searches
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I would, say it means in years 3 to 7...that's 5 years.... In all of those years utilized 37 times
200 case searches evidently relates to multiple searches in each case..
Again... Look at the CV... How many criminal cases, has eddies evidence been critical in solving... Very... Very few

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1082 on: March 21, 2018, 02:23:12 PM »
Why does it have to advance any aims... The poor man was upset are his daughter

Every time they gave interviews it was to advance their aims. On this occasion it was to appeal to the people of Portugal, via RPT to help them with information. A good interview with Sandra could have helped with that aim. Gerry made a mess of it my opinion by refusing to answer her questions in a reasonable manner. He also prompted  a lot of people to go off and research cadaver dogs.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1083 on: March 21, 2018, 02:30:51 PM »
Every time they gave interviews it was to advance their aims. On this occasion it was to appeal to the people of Portugal, via RPT to help them with information. A good interview with Sandra could have helped with that aim. Gerry made a mess of it my opinion by refusing to answer her questions in a reasonable manner. He also prompted  a lot of people to go off and research cadaver dogs.

sandra was obviously advancing her own aims and gerry was uoset...no big deal imo...with amarals propaganda they had no chance of cooperaton from the portuguese public

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1084 on: March 21, 2018, 05:59:09 PM »
sandra was obviously advancing her own aims and gerry was uoset...no big deal imo...with amarals propaganda they had no chance of cooperaton from the portuguese public

He certainly was upset. He didn't like being asked questions he didn't want to answer, did he? He probably alienated a few more Portuguese with that performance. If it was the brainwave of their new Portuguese PR Agency it was a massive fail imo. Unlike Bilton et al Sandra didn't give a fig about Carter-Ruck.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1085 on: March 21, 2018, 06:10:44 PM »
I don't see what's clever about making a childish comment about dogs which assist the police in finding the bodies of people so their nearest and dearest can have closure. In fact it was incredibly stupid, in my opinion. It suggested that the police forces using these dogs were spending money on training and maintaining handlers and dogs which were only occasionally successful.
It's perhaps as stupid as the oft-repeated phrase "dogs don't lie".
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1086 on: March 21, 2018, 06:14:33 PM »
Every time they gave interviews it was to advance their aims. On this occasion it was to appeal to the people of Portugal, via RPT to help them with information. A good interview with Sandra could have helped with that aim. Gerry made a mess of it my opinion by refusing to answer her questions in a reasonable manner. He also prompted  a lot of people to go off and research cadaver dogs.
What was the question Sandra asked him that prompted this response that you so object to?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1087 on: March 21, 2018, 06:16:59 PM »
He certainly was upset. He didn't like being asked questions he didn't want to answer, did he? He probably alienated a few more Portuguese with that performance. If it was the brainwave of their new Portuguese PR Agency it was a massive fail imo. Unlike Bilton et al Sandra didn't give a fig about Carter-Ruck.
It's obvious he should have received better media training, than to appear like an upset father of a missing child.  But then of course, he would have been criticized for something else.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 06:32:22 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1088 on: March 21, 2018, 06:59:11 PM »
He certainly was upset. He didn't like being asked questions he didn't want to answer, did he? He probably alienated a few more Portuguese with that performance. If it was the brainwave of their new Portuguese PR Agency it was a massive fail imo. Unlike Bilton et al Sandra didn't give a fig about Carter-Ruck.

Your hatred of the mccanns is palpable.....

He wasn't upset because of the questions.... He was upset because he had lost his daughter... Is, that so difficult  to understand
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 07:44:26 PM by Davel »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1089 on: March 21, 2018, 08:18:48 PM »
Your hatred of the mccanns is palpable.....

He wasn't upset because of the questions.... He was upset because he had lost his daughter... Is, that so difficult  to understand

What a strange idea. Why should I hate them? They've done me no harm.

You're entitled to interpret his reactions in a different way than me, but not to suggest I struggle with understanding. In my opinion you need to learn to debate without resorting to insults.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1090 on: March 21, 2018, 08:22:36 PM »
What a strange idea. Why should I hate them? They've done me no harm.

You're entitled to interpret his reactions in a different way than me, but not to suggest I struggle with understanding. In my opinion you need to learn to debate without resorting to insults.

It's not an insult it's my opinion... You think Gerry was angry because he couldn't answer the question... When in reality his, anger was understandable as he had lost his daughter...
Your hatred is palpable...IMO... Do you have no sympathy for them... You don't... IMO... Which to me is very odd

Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1091 on: March 21, 2018, 09:08:51 PM »
I would, say it means in years 3 to 7...that's 5 years.... In all of those years utilized 37 times
200 case searches evidently relates to multiple searches in each case..
Again... Look at the CV... How many criminal cases, has eddies evidence been critical in solving... Very... Very few

You can say what you like about 'years', it's immaterial anyway. Whoever put the FOI request into SYP asked the wrong question. Why you persist in trying to discredit Eddie's capabilities I don't know. After all, if his alerts meant nothing as you keep saying it doesn't matter how many usages, searches or previous successes he had, does it?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1092 on: March 21, 2018, 09:32:05 PM »
It's not an insult it's my opinion... You think Gerry was angry because he couldn't answer the question... When in reality his, anger was understandable as he had lost his daughter...
Your hatred is palpable...IMO... Do you have no sympathy for them... You don't... IMO... Which to me is very odd
G-unit has just told you she does not hate the McCanns so please leave it at that.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1093 on: March 21, 2018, 10:38:05 PM »
It's perhaps as stupid as the oft-repeated phrase "dogs don't lie".

Do they lie.? how do they do that? did they lie in the McCann case?  you have no expert knowledge about those particular dogs at all. To say it is stupid to say dogs don't lie would be pretentious on your part.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1094 on: March 21, 2018, 10:51:34 PM »
It's perhaps as stupid as the oft-repeated phrase "dogs don't lie".

Perhaps as strange as thinking that dogs are capable of lying.
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